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Glad that my country (Finland) is also on the correct side of this. Disappointed that our Nordic and Baltic neighbours are not though. Would've expected more, e

by Hamuko 1y ago

Glad that my country (Finland) is also on the correct side of this. Disappointed that our Nordic and Baltic neighbours are not though. Would've expected more, especially from Estonia.

jeltz 1y ago
Sweden and Denmark are some of the main drivers of this proposal. As a Swede I am a bit unclear why as while our politicians are quite pro-survelliance they have spent much more political capital than reasonable. One possible reason seems to be lobbyism and shady connections to surveillance tech companies and various shady non-profits https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...
- ahartmetz 1y ago
  > Johansson, however, has not blinked. “The privacy advocates sound very loud,” the commissioner said in a speech in November 2021. “But someone must also speak for the children.” Literal "Won't anybody think of the children" moment.
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supermatt 1y ago
> Disappointed that our Nordic and Baltic neighbours are not though Why do you think the Baltics are in favour? Are there some announcements they have made?
- BoredPositron 1y ago
  Edit: You were totally right Matt. Brain fart.
  - supermatt 1y ago
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    - inamorty 1y ago
      Sweden has been at the forefront of this iteration: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-gar-vidare-med-omgjord-chat-control https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-gar-vidare-med...
      - supermatt 1y ago
        Sweden isn’t one of the Baltics
- Hamuko 1y ago
  Because that’s what the link says.
  - supermatt 1y ago
    What link?
    - Hamuko 1y ago
      The one in this submission? The one that we're commenting on?
      - supermatt 1y ago
        The link in the submission is saying that the representatives position is mostly unknown for all the Baltics (Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia). For Finland it says only 3 of 15 have opposed - which is clearly not a majority. The “assumption” based on government position has no reference to any stated government position (I know for a fact Lithuania have expressed no such opinion, and can’t find anything related to Latvia or Estonia having done so either) - and also “assumes” all representatives (that are from different parties) are aligned, which they most likely aren’t.
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by Hamuko 1y ago

Glad that my country (Finland) is also on the correct side of this. Disappointed that our Nordic and Baltic neighbours are not though. Would've expected more, especially from Estonia.

jeltz 1y ago

Sweden and Denmark are some of the main drivers of this proposal. As a Swede I am a bit unclear why as while our politicians are quite pro-survelliance they have spent much more political capital than reasonable. One possible reason seems to be lobbyism and shady connections to surveillance tech companies and various shady non-profits https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...

ahartmetz 1y ago
> Johansson, however, has not blinked. “The privacy advocates sound very loud,” the commissioner said in a speech in November 2021. “But someone must also speak for the children.” Literal "Won't anybody think of the children" moment.
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supermatt 1y ago

> Disappointed that our Nordic and Baltic neighbours are not though Why do you think the Baltics are in favour? Are there some announcements they have made?

BoredPositron 1y ago
Edit: You were totally right Matt. Brain fart.
- supermatt 1y ago
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  - inamorty 1y ago
    Sweden has been at the forefront of this iteration: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-gar-vidare-med-omgjord-chat-control https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-gar-vidare-med...
    - supermatt 1y ago
      Sweden isn’t one of the Baltics
Hamuko 1y ago
Because that’s what the link says.
- supermatt 1y ago
  What link?
  - Hamuko 1y ago
    The one in this submission? The one that we're commenting on?
    - supermatt 1y ago
      The link in the submission is saying that the representatives position is mostly unknown for all the Baltics (Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia). For Finland it says only 3 of 15 have opposed - which is clearly not a majority. The “assumption” based on government position has no reference to any stated government position (I know for a fact Lithuania have expressed no such opinion, and can’t find anything related to Latvia or Estonia having done so either) - and also “assumes” all representatives (that are from different parties) are aligned, which they most likely aren’t.
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