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Proud to be a German today, for sure :)

by Kelteseth 1y ago

inglor_cz 1y ago
Yay for Dobrindt and vdL losing this fight :) She is not called Zensursula without a reason.
- riedel 1y ago
  I think the front lines are not that clear. Zensursula was actually a termed coined because she wanted the German equivalent of the online safety act in Germany back in the days. The 'Stasi 2.0' initiative (data retention at ISPs and online 'raids') was backed by some people in CDU and SPD (current ruling coalition). IMHO online safety (censorship) and chat control (privacy invasion) are different beasts, with different lobby groups as well.
  - Dilettante_ 1y ago
    I mainly remember the Zensursula title in connection with the ISP-level DNS-blocking initiative (the Stopsign thing) which was to combat CSAM. I remember all the nerds going "That's a slippery slope to blocking other stuff as well though", and being dismissed. Now we got the CUII blocking libgen, scihub, piracy sites and as I recently read on HN, russia today(that's not the cuii I'm pretty sure, but same mechanism).
    - riedel 1y ago
      You are right, I had to look it up again : Zugangserschwerungsgesetz [0] But the law did not feature any kind of data collection afaik. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugangserschwerungsgesetz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugangserschwerungsgesetz Edit: I think I mixed it up with her game censorship [1] (which I guess also contributed to her nick name). [1] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/von-der-leyen-sofortprogramm-gegen-killerspiele-angekuendigt-1.836575 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/von-der-leyen-sofortp...
phgn 1y ago
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- notTooFarGone 1y ago
  ok buddy, you can be both proud of something and critical of other stuff without mentioning it in every sentence.
  - iyn 1y ago
    You don't have to be condescending, even if you disagree or think the situation is more nuanced. I think it's important that we're able to disagree in a polite manner.
    - jijijijij 1y ago
      Well, it's also not very polite to hijack every fucking debate with the Palestine issue. Absolutely not relevant here.
      - iyn 1y ago
        Do they "hijack" every debate, though? I understand that highlighting genocide support makes people uncomfortable, but it doesn't mean that it's not allowed to be mentioned. I don't think the original comment was totally off-topic.
        jijijijij 1y ago
        You cannot mention genocide and not drown every other topic. It's naturally grim shit. Here it's drowning someone else's moment of joy. A fight won for democracy and freedom. TODAY, this person was proud of their country. It's already implied, this isn't every day. The genocide happening is a terrible thing, but for most people here there is nothing actionable about it beyond voting and protesting. It's an important issue, but there is no reason for it to be the only issue on people's mind at all times. People dying in Palestine does not mean, people with no stakes or say in the matter need to be constantly consumed by its horror. There are many similar conflicts going right now, btw. Climate change, social justice, digital freedom, queer liberation, ... it's all getting overshadowed by the Palestine issue. If you care about anything, someone wants you to care about Palestine in that moment. And quite frankly, a lot of these advocates are not even informed beyond their Instagram information warfare bubble. This habit of injecting the topic into other political movements, effectively kills those other movements.

Proud to be a German today, for sure :)

inglor_cz 1y ago

Yay for Dobrindt and vdL losing this fight :) She is not called Zensursula without a reason.

riedel 1y ago
I think the front lines are not that clear. Zensursula was actually a termed coined because she wanted the German equivalent of the online safety act in Germany back in the days. The 'Stasi 2.0' initiative (data retention at ISPs and online 'raids') was backed by some people in CDU and SPD (current ruling coalition). IMHO online safety (censorship) and chat control (privacy invasion) are different beasts, with different lobby groups as well.
- Dilettante_ 1y ago
  I mainly remember the Zensursula title in connection with the ISP-level DNS-blocking initiative (the Stopsign thing) which was to combat CSAM. I remember all the nerds going "That's a slippery slope to blocking other stuff as well though", and being dismissed. Now we got the CUII blocking libgen, scihub, piracy sites and as I recently read on HN, russia today(that's not the cuii I'm pretty sure, but same mechanism).
  - riedel 1y ago
    You are right, I had to look it up again : Zugangserschwerungsgesetz [0] But the law did not feature any kind of data collection afaik. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugangserschwerungsgesetz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugangserschwerungsgesetz Edit: I think I mixed it up with her game censorship [1] (which I guess also contributed to her nick name). [1] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/von-der-leyen-sofortprogramm-gegen-killerspiele-angekuendigt-1.836575 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/von-der-leyen-sofortp...

phgn 1y ago

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notTooFarGone 1y ago
ok buddy, you can be both proud of something and critical of other stuff without mentioning it in every sentence.
- iyn 1y ago
  You don't have to be condescending, even if you disagree or think the situation is more nuanced. I think it's important that we're able to disagree in a polite manner.
  - jijijijij 1y ago
    Well, it's also not very polite to hijack every fucking debate with the Palestine issue. Absolutely not relevant here.
    - iyn 1y ago
      Do they "hijack" every debate, though? I understand that highlighting genocide support makes people uncomfortable, but it doesn't mean that it's not allowed to be mentioned. I don't think the original comment was totally off-topic.
      - jijijijij 1y ago
        You cannot mention genocide and not drown every other topic. It's naturally grim shit. Here it's drowning someone else's moment of joy. A fight won for democracy and freedom. TODAY, this person was proud of their country. It's already implied, this isn't every day. The genocide happening is a terrible thing, but for most people here there is nothing actionable about it beyond voting and protesting. It's an important issue, but there is no reason for it to be the only issue on people's mind at all times. People dying in Palestine does not mean, people with no stakes or say in the matter need to be constantly consumed by its horror. There are many similar conflicts going right now, btw. Climate change, social justice, digital freedom, queer liberation, ... it's all getting overshadowed by the Palestine issue. If you care about anything, someone wants you to care about Palestine in that moment. And quite frankly, a lot of these advocates are not even informed beyond their Instagram information warfare bubble. This habit of injecting the topic into other political movements, effectively kills those other movements.