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User adoption is not really a great metric when it ships as a default on common distros. Most people would rather deal with issues and wait for support than fix

by devmor 1y ago

User adoption is not really a great metric when it ships as a default on common distros. Most people would rather deal with issues and wait for support than fix things in an unsupported way. If it wasn't a default, it'd go back to barely being used.

frollogaston 1y ago
If it's really broken, they can't get away with setting it default.
- hulitu 1y ago
  Microsoft/Google would like to have a word with you.
  - MiddleEndian 1y ago
    Yep lol my experience on Windows 11 is that when opening a laptop, there's a realistic chance the taskbar will hang and have to restart itself (which takes a surprisingly long time)
    - const_cast 1y ago
      This is my reality too and the taskbar takes some stuff down with it. Also the taskbar is just broken in general. It'll pull tons of apps behind the '...' button even though there's plenty of room on the taskbar and it'll also put fake apps that aren't actually open on the taskbar. Also no vertical task bar. Come on Microsoft.
      - MiddleEndian 1y ago
        If you're referring to the fact that new toolbar icons in Win11 are automatically hidden and that setting can't be changed for god knows what reason, I can recommend https://github.com/Aemony/NotifyIconPromote https://github.com/Aemony/NotifyIconPromote
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  - devmor 1y ago
    Or the last 27 years of audio on Linux.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    Yes Microsoft too. Windows is by far the most stable and compatible desktop OS. The broken stuff you run into there isn't comparable to what you deal with on Linux, especially a niche distro.
bee_rider 1y ago
I agree that it isn’t a great metric for, like, how good the desktop environments are in some overall sense. I’m just saying it has enough users that it isn’t some niche thing where a ton of bugs can easily hide.
- devmor 1y ago
  But it does just have a ton of bugs - or just straight up missing features that are available in every other window manager on every operating system.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    So does Xorg. I actually switched my spare PC to Wayland (default Ubuntu) recently because Xorg (on Linux Mint) kept going black whenever my monitor would sleep/wake. Nothing too fancy, just an HP tower with Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU. Idk what's even different between them, it was just obvious that I was in the non-default / minority of users territory, so I got out.

by devmor 1y ago

frollogaston 1y ago

If it's really broken, they can't get away with setting it default.

hulitu 1y ago
Microsoft/Google would like to have a word with you.
- MiddleEndian 1y ago
  Yep lol my experience on Windows 11 is that when opening a laptop, there's a realistic chance the taskbar will hang and have to restart itself (which takes a surprisingly long time)
  - const_cast 1y ago
    This is my reality too and the taskbar takes some stuff down with it. Also the taskbar is just broken in general. It'll pull tons of apps behind the '...' button even though there's plenty of room on the taskbar and it'll also put fake apps that aren't actually open on the taskbar. Also no vertical task bar. Come on Microsoft.
    - MiddleEndian 1y ago
      If you're referring to the fact that new toolbar icons in Win11 are automatically hidden and that setting can't be changed for god knows what reason, I can recommend https://github.com/Aemony/NotifyIconPromote https://github.com/Aemony/NotifyIconPromote
  - deleted 1y ago
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- devmor 1y ago
  Or the last 27 years of audio on Linux.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Yes Microsoft too. Windows is by far the most stable and compatible desktop OS. The broken stuff you run into there isn't comparable to what you deal with on Linux, especially a niche distro.

bee_rider 1y ago

I agree that it isn’t a great metric for, like, how good the desktop environments are in some overall sense. I’m just saying it has enough users that it isn’t some niche thing where a ton of bugs can easily hide.

devmor 1y ago
But it does just have a ton of bugs - or just straight up missing features that are available in every other window manager on every operating system.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  So does Xorg. I actually switched my spare PC to Wayland (default Ubuntu) recently because Xorg (on Linux Mint) kept going black whenever my monitor would sleep/wake. Nothing too fancy, just an HP tower with Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU. Idk what's even different between them, it was just obvious that I was in the non-default / minority of users territory, so I got out.