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The Koreans are so generous! I don't think that any other country would be so polite if they were humiliated like this [1] after they made such big investments

by goku12 1y ago

The Koreans are so generous! I don't think that any other country would be so polite if they were humiliated like this [1] after they made such big investments in your country. I don't get the feeling that many in the US understand that you are the one at disadvantage when you disrespect your investors. Is it because the US has never faced a diplomatic backlash before? At the minimum, the aggrieved party would hold the rest of the investments hostage and force you into making major concessions. Anyway, the way ICE treats immigrants is going to cost the US dearly, both in monetary and in reputational terms. The US may not care much about the dignity of the foreigners, but their parent countries do. The charade about 'illegal immigrants' won't work anymore, because clearly that's not what's happening. It's like the foreigners are targeted to prove a political point to the domestic audience. ICE is acting like a rogue force and is really asking to be outlawed and sanctioned internationally. I want to see how long the rest of the world will remain restrained before they've had enough of the ICE abuse. [1] The news I got from a US source (don't remember which one) was that all of them except one were on valid temporary work visas to set up the plant and train the new US staff who would take over later. That one exception was also on a valid visa, but 'productive job' was not allowed. But he was there for training, so no violations there either.

Ray20 1y ago
> I want to see how long the rest of the world will remain restrained before they've had enough of the ICE abuse. The rest of the world will remain restrained indefinitely. Yes, populist politics requires voicing outrage at this, but otherwise this is more a good thing than a bad thing. Because salaries in the US in the real sector of the economy are often 5 times higher than even in other developed countries. So there is a huge drain of the best specialists to the US from all over the world. And no country wants to lose its best professionals.
- goku12 1y ago
  I believe that ICE's own actions will remedy that situation too.
GJim 1y ago
> I don't think that any other country would be so polite if they were humiliated like this Everyone is exercising diplomatic niceties [1]. However, we have all come to realise the USA can no longer be trusted as a good faith partner. The USA has even managed to piss off Canada. And lets be honest, you have got to work really hard to piss off the Canadians. [1] British subtlety at it's finest... official photos of His Majesty The King meeting Big Z, the latter appropriately dressed for meeting royalty. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-charles-king-the-king-prince-of-wales-b1058856.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-...
- goku12 1y ago
  > The USA has even managed to piss off Canada. And lets be honest, you have got to work really hard to piss off the Canadians. Agreed. That's so comically tragic!
franktankbank 1y ago
No violations then what's going on here? Are they sticking to the training missions or actually just doing the work and brushing aside the trainees to maintain leverage? That cannot be tolerated IMO.
- goku12 1y ago
  > No violations then what's going on here? Here is the latest information I have from the AP article linked below: > U.S. authorities have said that those detained during the raid were “unlawfully working” at the plant. But Charles Kuck, a lawyer representing several of the detained South Koreans, said the “vast majority” of the workers from South Korea were doing work that is authorized under the B-1 business visitor visa program. Needless to say, the former party's credibility is a bit suspect now. I hope you remember the people who were trafficked to the El Salvadorian prison CECOT in the name of Tren de Aragua. Evidence in that case is still a joke. So in this case, we have to assume that at least the 'vast majority' of detained Koreans were there legally. ICE doesn't even distinguish between an immigrant and a citizen. What hopes do legal immigrants have? > Are they sticking to the training missions or actually just doing the work and brushing aside the trainees to maintain leverage? What were those 'trainees' going to do in an unfinished plant? Don't they need some equipment from Korea to be commissioned before they can do something? From the article again: > "It’s not like these are long-term workers. When you build a factory or install equipment at a factory, you need technicians, but the United States doesn’t have that workforce and yet they won’t issue visas to let our people stay and do the work. If that’s not possible, then establishing a local factory in the United States will either come with severe disadvantages or become very difficult for our companies. They will wonder whether they should even do it" > That cannot be tolerated IMO. Did you have any issues tolerating the 350 B$ Korean investment that came along with it? From the article: > During his meeting with Rubio, Cho also proposed the creation of a joint South Korea-U.S. working group to introduce a new visa category for workers from the Asian nation, according to Cho’s ministry. This is all backwards! When a foreign nation makes such a massive investment in your country, it's usually the host nation that takes the initiative to resolve all such issues. That too, well before the work starts. Here the US authorities are behaving as if the Koreans should be grateful to them for giving them the opportunity and privilege to invest in their territory! South Korea isn't some backward squalor nation for its citizens to want to illegally sneak into the US. It's as if 'Have you ever thanked us?' is the US government motto! Or is it that the 'main character syndrome' is the national epidemic of the US? This is not how other nations deal with each other! [1] https://apnews.com/article/georgia-immigration-raid-hyundai-south-korea-40e9e6ac0427389491532464098c1acb https://apnews.com/article/georgia-immigration-raid-hyundai-...

by goku12 1y ago

Ray20 1y ago

> I want to see how long the rest of the world will remain restrained before they've had enough of the ICE abuse. The rest of the world will remain restrained indefinitely. Yes, populist politics requires voicing outrage at this, but otherwise this is more a good thing than a bad thing. Because salaries in the US in the real sector of the economy are often 5 times higher than even in other developed countries. So there is a huge drain of the best specialists to the US from all over the world. And no country wants to lose its best professionals.

goku12 1y ago
I believe that ICE's own actions will remedy that situation too.

GJim 1y ago

> I don't think that any other country would be so polite if they were humiliated like this Everyone is exercising diplomatic niceties [1]. However, we have all come to realise the USA can no longer be trusted as a good faith partner. The USA has even managed to piss off Canada. And lets be honest, you have got to work really hard to piss off the Canadians. [1] British subtlety at it's finest... official photos of His Majesty The King meeting Big Z, the latter appropriately dressed for meeting royalty. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-charles-king-the-king-prince-of-wales-b1058856.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-...

goku12 1y ago
> The USA has even managed to piss off Canada. And lets be honest, you have got to work really hard to piss off the Canadians. Agreed. That's so comically tragic!

franktankbank 1y ago

No violations then what's going on here? Are they sticking to the training missions or actually just doing the work and brushing aside the trainees to maintain leverage? That cannot be tolerated IMO.

goku12 1y ago
> No violations then what's going on here? Here is the latest information I have from the AP article linked below: > U.S. authorities have said that those detained during the raid were “unlawfully working” at the plant. But Charles Kuck, a lawyer representing several of the detained South Koreans, said the “vast majority” of the workers from South Korea were doing work that is authorized under the B-1 business visitor visa program. Needless to say, the former party's credibility is a bit suspect now. I hope you remember the people who were trafficked to the El Salvadorian prison CECOT in the name of Tren de Aragua. Evidence in that case is still a joke. So in this case, we have to assume that at least the 'vast majority' of detained Koreans were there legally. ICE doesn't even distinguish between an immigrant and a citizen. What hopes do legal immigrants have? > Are they sticking to the training missions or actually just doing the work and brushing aside the trainees to maintain leverage? What were those 'trainees' going to do in an unfinished plant? Don't they need some equipment from Korea to be commissioned before they can do something? From the article again: > "It’s not like these are long-term workers. When you build a factory or install equipment at a factory, you need technicians, but the United States doesn’t have that workforce and yet they won’t issue visas to let our people stay and do the work. If that’s not possible, then establishing a local factory in the United States will either come with severe disadvantages or become very difficult for our companies. They will wonder whether they should even do it" > That cannot be tolerated IMO. Did you have any issues tolerating the 350 B$ Korean investment that came along with it? From the article: > During his meeting with Rubio, Cho also proposed the creation of a joint South Korea-U.S. working group to introduce a new visa category for workers from the Asian nation, according to Cho’s ministry. This is all backwards! When a foreign nation makes such a massive investment in your country, it's usually the host nation that takes the initiative to resolve all such issues. That too, well before the work starts. Here the US authorities are behaving as if the Koreans should be grateful to them for giving them the opportunity and privilege to invest in their territory! South Korea isn't some backward squalor nation for its citizens to want to illegally sneak into the US. It's as if 'Have you ever thanked us?' is the US government motto! Or is it that the 'main character syndrome' is the national epidemic of the US? This is not how other nations deal with each other! [1] https://apnews.com/article/georgia-immigration-raid-hyundai-south-korea-40e9e6ac0427389491532464098c1acb https://apnews.com/article/georgia-immigration-raid-hyundai-...