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Even as of Ubuntu 24.04 there's still plenty of stuff that's just broken. Can't stream my screen from Discord, can't share my screen from Firefox. Weird color p

Even as of Ubuntu 24.04 there's still plenty of stuff that's just broken. Can't stream my screen from Discord, can't share my screen from Firefox. Weird color problems with my calibrated monitor. Switching to Xorg solved all of these issues. I'm open to moving to Debian testing/unstable if Wayland can actually deliver. What do you run?

imp0cat 1y ago
can't share my screen from Firefox Did you install Firefox manually or do you use the Firefox Snap that's provided by Ubuntu?
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  Regardless, that's still a huge Linux usability issue when the user needs to know for sure the specific source to install a friggin web browser where screen sharing works.
  - neobrain 1y ago
    Indeed, though not so much Linux but rather a Ubuntu-specific issue. Most (all?) other distributions don't distribute Firefox as a Snap, so screen sharing will work out of the box.
    - imp0cat 1y ago
      Oh I absolutely agree. I've seen way too many people fall into this trap, install Firefox from Snap, Zoom client from Snap, what could possibly go wrong? Turns out, quite a lot!
MrDrMcCoy 1y ago
My CachyOS / KDE install with pure Wayland has been buttery smooth and recently got an update that finally lets me calibrate the max brightness of my HDR OLED monitor (which was the monitor's fault. Not even Windows could make it work properly for non-games until now). CachyOS is also the first distro I've used in years that does things close enough to way I like out of the box that I haven't bothered to update my system reinstall script in months. I've also been giving Bazzite to some non-tech people who have not once asked for help. That one is immutable and Wayland only, so it's a further testament to how far Wayland has come if you're on an up-to-date-enough system. Sadly, I'm stuck on older Ubuntu for my work laptop because the mandated security software won't run on anything better.
- ngrilly 1y ago
  What is the mandated security software? I’m asking to avoid it in my own org.
- LtWorf 1y ago
  I've had to patch the .desktop file in debian for killbots to make it start via x11 because the wayland one was unplayable.
heavyset_go 1y ago
Yeah, I wouldn't even bother with Wayland on Ubuntu unless it works out of the box. I'm on an unholy amalgamation of Arch/Cachy/Endeavour now, but I have been using screen sharing nearly everyday on calls via Firefox on Arch for about a year and it's worked without a problem. I considered Debian testing, and it does work well on servers, but a true rolling release is more convenient. The software release and update loop is shorter, it's really nice to be able to pull fixes to packages in a reasonable amount of time after they're released.
- mkesper 1y ago
  Debian testing (without security updates from unstable) is a no-go for servers as you are getting no timely security updates. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting#Considerations https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting#Considerations
ThePowerOfFuet 1y ago
Try Fedora 42 KDE (or its atomic equivalent Kinoite). It works very well.
neobrain 1y ago
> you really want the latest versions you can get > Even as of Ubuntu 24.04 I get that this is the current LTS release, but clearly this isn't want the parent poster had in mind. Notably 24.04 never shipped Plasma 6, which carried a lot of critical Wayland fixes.
const_cast 1y ago
None of this is a problem on Debian stable. I even run discord as a Flatpak - screen share works fine. I believe there's systems for that now (way pipe? xdg stuff?) Ubuntu 24.04 is older than Debian stable currently.
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  > I believe there's systems for that now (way pipe? xdg stuff?) You need to get portals working correctly for screensharing to work
  - const_cast 1y ago
    It just works on newer distros in my experience. There's no config or anything, including with containerization like flatpak.
    - heavyset_go 1y ago
      Been my experience as well. There was a short period where older distros needed some hacks for things to work smoothly if it worked at all.

imp0cat 1y ago

can't share my screen from Firefox Did you install Firefox manually or do you use the Firefox Snap that's provided by Ubuntu?

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Regardless, that's still a huge Linux usability issue when the user needs to know for sure the specific source to install a friggin web browser where screen sharing works.
- neobrain 1y ago
  Indeed, though not so much Linux but rather a Ubuntu-specific issue. Most (all?) other distributions don't distribute Firefox as a Snap, so screen sharing will work out of the box.
  - imp0cat 1y ago
    Oh I absolutely agree. I've seen way too many people fall into this trap, install Firefox from Snap, Zoom client from Snap, what could possibly go wrong? Turns out, quite a lot!

MrDrMcCoy 1y ago

My CachyOS / KDE install with pure Wayland has been buttery smooth and recently got an update that finally lets me calibrate the max brightness of my HDR OLED monitor (which was the monitor's fault. Not even Windows could make it work properly for non-games until now). CachyOS is also the first distro I've used in years that does things close enough to way I like out of the box that I haven't bothered to update my system reinstall script in months. I've also been giving Bazzite to some non-tech people who have not once asked for help. That one is immutable and Wayland only, so it's a further testament to how far Wayland has come if you're on an up-to-date-enough system. Sadly, I'm stuck on older Ubuntu for my work laptop because the mandated security software won't run on anything better.

ngrilly 1y ago
What is the mandated security software? I’m asking to avoid it in my own org.
LtWorf 1y ago
I've had to patch the .desktop file in debian for killbots to make it start via x11 because the wayland one was unplayable.

heavyset_go 1y ago

Yeah, I wouldn't even bother with Wayland on Ubuntu unless it works out of the box. I'm on an unholy amalgamation of Arch/Cachy/Endeavour now, but I have been using screen sharing nearly everyday on calls via Firefox on Arch for about a year and it's worked without a problem. I considered Debian testing, and it does work well on servers, but a true rolling release is more convenient. The software release and update loop is shorter, it's really nice to be able to pull fixes to packages in a reasonable amount of time after they're released.

mkesper 1y ago
Debian testing (without security updates from unstable) is a no-go for servers as you are getting no timely security updates. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting#Considerations https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting#Considerations

ThePowerOfFuet 1y ago

Try Fedora 42 KDE (or its atomic equivalent Kinoite). It works very well.

neobrain 1y ago

> you really want the latest versions you can get > Even as of Ubuntu 24.04 I get that this is the current LTS release, but clearly this isn't want the parent poster had in mind. Notably 24.04 never shipped Plasma 6, which carried a lot of critical Wayland fixes.

const_cast 1y ago

None of this is a problem on Debian stable. I even run discord as a Flatpak - screen share works fine. I believe there's systems for that now (way pipe? xdg stuff?) Ubuntu 24.04 is older than Debian stable currently.

heavyset_go 1y ago
> I believe there's systems for that now (way pipe? xdg stuff?) You need to get portals working correctly for screensharing to work
- const_cast 1y ago
  It just works on newer distros in my experience. There's no config or anything, including with containerization like flatpak.
  - heavyset_go 1y ago
    Been my experience as well. There was a short period where older distros needed some hacks for things to work smoothly if it worked at all.