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Don’t forget about Melissa and Mark Hortman. Or the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.

lynndotpy 1y ago
I forgot their names; Melissa and Mark Hortman were the assassinated Democrat politicians I mentioned, yes. I did forget the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot though-- no reason other than it slipped my mind.
- pclmulqdq 1y ago
  It slipped your mind because 12 of 18 conspirators in that plot were FBI plants or informants, 2 took a plea deal, and 4 got off due to the entrapment.
  - lynndotpy 1y ago
    This is a non-sequitur, why would that make it slip my mind? Those aren't even details I readily remembered, and searching them up, it looks like those details aren't even factual. Searching it up, it seems thirteen people were arrested. The defense claimed three and a half years ago that there were twelve FBI informants. I think it slipped my mind because there were already too many examples of far-right and conservative terrorist violence, and I was not intending to write an exhaustive comment in the first place.
    - pclmulqdq 1y ago
      The reason for the non-sequitur is because if there were anything behind this plot, it would have gotten a lot more news coverage than it did as an FBI-seeded conspiracy. As it stands, there were better examples of crazy right wingers (many of whom were actually crazy right wingers), so they moved on to those. In some other parts of the country, the demand for crazy right wingers exceeded the supply, so hoaxes filled that. Thirteen out of eighteen were arrested. Five were directly agents, and FBI agents tend not to get arrested when they are the ones doing the arresting.
      - StatsBlaster 1y ago
        There were 9 convictions, so I think there was definitely something behind this plot, and not just some hoax as you imply.
grosswait 1y ago
You mean the one that came out of the FBI’s extremist cultivation https://reason.com/2022/09/04/its-almost-always-the-feds/ https://reason.com/2022/09/04/its-almost-always-the-feds/

I forgot their names; Melissa and Mark Hortman were the assassinated Democrat politicians I mentioned, yes. I did forget the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot though-- no reason other than it slipped my mind.

pclmulqdq 1y ago
It slipped your mind because 12 of 18 conspirators in that plot were FBI plants or informants, 2 took a plea deal, and 4 got off due to the entrapment.
- lynndotpy 1y ago
  This is a non-sequitur, why would that make it slip my mind? Those aren't even details I readily remembered, and searching them up, it looks like those details aren't even factual. Searching it up, it seems thirteen people were arrested. The defense claimed three and a half years ago that there were twelve FBI informants. I think it slipped my mind because there were already too many examples of far-right and conservative terrorist violence, and I was not intending to write an exhaustive comment in the first place.
  - pclmulqdq 1y ago
    The reason for the non-sequitur is because if there were anything behind this plot, it would have gotten a lot more news coverage than it did as an FBI-seeded conspiracy. As it stands, there were better examples of crazy right wingers (many of whom were actually crazy right wingers), so they moved on to those. In some other parts of the country, the demand for crazy right wingers exceeded the supply, so hoaxes filled that. Thirteen out of eighteen were arrested. Five were directly agents, and FBI agents tend not to get arrested when they are the ones doing the arresting.
    - StatsBlaster 1y ago
      There were 9 convictions, so I think there was definitely something behind this plot, and not just some hoax as you imply.

grosswait 1y ago

You mean the one that came out of the FBI’s extremist cultivation https://reason.com/2022/09/04/its-almost-always-the-feds/ https://reason.com/2022/09/04/its-almost-always-the-feds/