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bdangubic 1y ago
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- otterley 1y ago
  Correction: hate unchecked and amplified by social media wins elections. David Duke and Pat Buchanan, both notorious racists (the former being Grand Wizard of the KKK), ran for President but the mainstream media (which were once the only media most people consumed) constrained their influence.
  - bagels 1y ago
    That isn't happening anymore, and now we also have social media.
- notmyjob 1y ago
  There is both Eros and Thanatos. Everything ad based (social media, evening news, YouTube, Reddit, elections) turns towards Thanatos ultimately. They used to put hidden images of skulls and other dark and dangerous subliminal symbology in whiskey ads back in 70s. Sex sells, maybe, but if it bleeds it leads.
causal 1y ago
Source?
- underlipton 1y ago
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  - marcusverus 1y ago
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    - otterley 1y ago
      For a very specific and narrowly-held view of justice, perhaps.
      - skissane 1y ago
        A lot of people in the US seem to view deporting illegal immigrants as some far-right move bordering on fascism Meanwhile, in Australia, it is a bipartisan policy. Read this article about what the centre-left Albanese government just did: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/04/labor-coalition-pass-deportation-laws-naura-australia-penal-colony-australia-critics-say https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/04/labor... (that article technically isn’t about “illegal immigrants”, it is about a group of people who are predominantly legal immigrants who have had their visas cancelled due to criminal convictions-but they don’t treat the illegal immigrants any better)
        otterley 1y ago
        We've been deporting illegal immigrants for as long as there has been an immigration policy--and yes, that policy is bipartisan. See the data at https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022/table39 https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022/table3... -- and consider who held office when the removal rate doubled in 1997. (2021 is an anomalous year, for reasons you can probably guess.) The contentious issue is not whether the law is being enforced, but rather how it is enforced. Most first-world countries do it with a certain amount of decorum. We've been doing it since Trump regained office with a shock-and-awe approach that is highly disruptive, violent, and of questionable legality.
        marcusverus 1y ago
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- Palomides 1y ago
  I think feelings on immigration show that there isn't a "vast majority" of people who want to "live together" and "abide" each other 35% of americans are happy with how the current administration has been handling immigrants https://news.gallup.com/poll/692522/surge-concern-immigration-abated.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/692522/surge-concern-immigratio... approval of ICE is around 40% https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/08/27/republicans-views-of-justice-department-fbi-rebound-as-democrats-views-shift-more-negative/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/08/27/republicans-... edit: it's funny to see my post above offended(?) people who want to believe that americans are kind and loving, despite uh being on a post where everyone is arguing about how bad the political violence and polarization situation is in the US
  - andriesm 1y ago
    Immigrants or illegals?

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bdangubic 1y ago

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otterley 1y ago
Correction: hate unchecked and amplified by social media wins elections. David Duke and Pat Buchanan, both notorious racists (the former being Grand Wizard of the KKK), ran for President but the mainstream media (which were once the only media most people consumed) constrained their influence.
- bagels 1y ago
  That isn't happening anymore, and now we also have social media.
notmyjob 1y ago
There is both Eros and Thanatos. Everything ad based (social media, evening news, YouTube, Reddit, elections) turns towards Thanatos ultimately. They used to put hidden images of skulls and other dark and dangerous subliminal symbology in whiskey ads back in 70s. Sex sells, maybe, but if it bleeds it leads.

causal 1y ago

Source?

underlipton 1y ago
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- marcusverus 1y ago
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  - otterley 1y ago
    For a very specific and narrowly-held view of justice, perhaps.
    - skissane 1y ago
      A lot of people in the US seem to view deporting illegal immigrants as some far-right move bordering on fascism Meanwhile, in Australia, it is a bipartisan policy. Read this article about what the centre-left Albanese government just did: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/04/labor-coalition-pass-deportation-laws-naura-australia-penal-colony-australia-critics-say https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/04/labor... (that article technically isn’t about “illegal immigrants”, it is about a group of people who are predominantly legal immigrants who have had their visas cancelled due to criminal convictions-but they don’t treat the illegal immigrants any better)
      - otterley 1y ago
        We've been deporting illegal immigrants for as long as there has been an immigration policy--and yes, that policy is bipartisan. See the data at https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022/table39 https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022/table3... -- and consider who held office when the removal rate doubled in 1997. (2021 is an anomalous year, for reasons you can probably guess.) The contentious issue is not whether the law is being enforced, but rather how it is enforced. Most first-world countries do it with a certain amount of decorum. We've been doing it since Trump regained office with a shock-and-awe approach that is highly disruptive, violent, and of questionable legality.
        marcusverus 1y ago
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Palomides 1y ago
I think feelings on immigration show that there isn't a "vast majority" of people who want to "live together" and "abide" each other 35% of americans are happy with how the current administration has been handling immigrants https://news.gallup.com/poll/692522/surge-concern-immigration-abated.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/692522/surge-concern-immigratio... approval of ICE is around 40% https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/08/27/republicans-views-of-justice-department-fbi-rebound-as-democrats-views-shift-more-negative/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/08/27/republicans-... edit: it's funny to see my post above offended(?) people who want to believe that americans are kind and loving, despite uh being on a post where everyone is arguing about how bad the political violence and polarization situation is in the US
- andriesm 1y ago
  Immigrants or illegals?