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I saw his videos occasionally on youtube/facebook. I didn't really agree with his stances on immigration most of the time, though I thought some of his other ar

by umvi 1y ago

I saw his videos occasionally on youtube/facebook. I didn't really agree with his stances on immigration most of the time, though I thought some of his other arguments on other topics were thought provoking at least, and I also thought it was cool that he always had an open mic for anyone that wanted to debate him. Seemed like he had an encyclopedic memory when it came to things like SCOTUS cases or historical events.

ourmandave 1y ago
Charlie didn't debate so much as followed a script and steered you towards his gotcha questions to create content for his show. He recently went to Cambridge Univ and debated a student who actual knew his routine. It didn't go well for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn0_2iACV-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn0_2iACV-A
- toomim 1y ago
  Instead of linking to a one-sided reframing of the debate, here's the actual debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvIktYig9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvIktYig9Y It seems to be a healthy debate for both sides.
  - ourmandave 1y ago
    That's a link to Charlie's own post of the debate. It seems to be a healthy debate to someone who doesn't know Charlie's logical fallacies and scripted style.
    - tim333 1y ago
      I watched the start of the debate, having never heard of Charlie before the shooting. His position seemed fairly reasonable that women were happier with the get married and have kids model then the focus on your career one.
      - Yizahi 1y ago
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      - dcuthbertson 1y ago
        > His position seemed fairly reasonable that women were happier with the get married and have kids model then the focus on you career one. Broad statements like that are just plain wrong and aren't reasonable. Saying women were happier with the get married and have kids model denies the fact that all humans have different aspirations. Some want to be doctors, nurses, chefs, electricians, plumbers, or artists. Saying that women should get married and raise lots of children denies those aspirations, and says to me that those who ascribe to that model have no consideration for women as human beings. Let women pursue their own definition of happiness rather than prescribing one for them.
        tim333 1y ago
        I'm not saying it's correct but it didn't seem unreasonable to debate it. I guess you might be comparing 1950s America to modern America.
        dcuthbertson 1y ago
        I'm not comparing anything to 1950s America. I am disagreeing with your assertion "His position seemed fairly reasonable ...". Kirk insinuated in the video that women in America would be happier if they had a belief in the divine and a lot of kids (which may correlate with beliefs from the 1950s, but that's besides the point) when he compared what women in America have to what women in sub-Saharan Africa have. That doesn't seem reasonable to me. (edited to fix a typo)
        pixxel 1y ago
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        nailer 1y ago
        > Broad statements like that are just plain wrong and aren't reasonable. Saying women were happier with the get married and have kids model denies the fact that all humans have different aspirations. No. They are right. When you survey people, most women are happier working for their children rather than their boss. Most women feeling that way doesn't preclude other women feeling differently. Not does it prescribing a definition of happiness for women that want to work for their boss.
- mangodrunk 1y ago
  That might be one account of that debate, but certainly many disagree with you and the video. I watched the original and I think he did well in the debate. You posting a video that is clearly against him is only evidence of your stance.
- pixxel 1y ago
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nailer 1y ago
> I didn't really agree with his stances on immigration I haven't heard him say anything about immigration in general, merely illegal immigration which (should be) the exception, and should be a matter of crime not a matter of 'pro or con'.
- thephyber 1y ago
  He had a few ideas: See the “On Immigration” section. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk...
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by umvi 1y ago

ourmandave 1y ago

Charlie didn't debate so much as followed a script and steered you towards his gotcha questions to create content for his show. He recently went to Cambridge Univ and debated a student who actual knew his routine. It didn't go well for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn0_2iACV-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn0_2iACV-A

toomim 1y ago
Instead of linking to a one-sided reframing of the debate, here's the actual debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvIktYig9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvIktYig9Y It seems to be a healthy debate for both sides.
- ourmandave 1y ago
  That's a link to Charlie's own post of the debate. It seems to be a healthy debate to someone who doesn't know Charlie's logical fallacies and scripted style.
  - tim333 1y ago
    I watched the start of the debate, having never heard of Charlie before the shooting. His position seemed fairly reasonable that women were happier with the get married and have kids model then the focus on your career one.
    - Yizahi 1y ago
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    - dcuthbertson 1y ago
      > His position seemed fairly reasonable that women were happier with the get married and have kids model then the focus on you career one. Broad statements like that are just plain wrong and aren't reasonable. Saying women were happier with the get married and have kids model denies the fact that all humans have different aspirations. Some want to be doctors, nurses, chefs, electricians, plumbers, or artists. Saying that women should get married and raise lots of children denies those aspirations, and says to me that those who ascribe to that model have no consideration for women as human beings. Let women pursue their own definition of happiness rather than prescribing one for them.
      - tim333 1y ago
        I'm not saying it's correct but it didn't seem unreasonable to debate it. I guess you might be comparing 1950s America to modern America.
        dcuthbertson 1y ago
        I'm not comparing anything to 1950s America. I am disagreeing with your assertion "His position seemed fairly reasonable ...". Kirk insinuated in the video that women in America would be happier if they had a belief in the divine and a lot of kids (which may correlate with beliefs from the 1950s, but that's besides the point) when he compared what women in America have to what women in sub-Saharan Africa have. That doesn't seem reasonable to me. (edited to fix a typo)
      - pixxel 1y ago
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      - nailer 1y ago
        > Broad statements like that are just plain wrong and aren't reasonable. Saying women were happier with the get married and have kids model denies the fact that all humans have different aspirations. No. They are right. When you survey people, most women are happier working for their children rather than their boss. Most women feeling that way doesn't preclude other women feeling differently. Not does it prescribing a definition of happiness for women that want to work for their boss.
mangodrunk 1y ago
That might be one account of that debate, but certainly many disagree with you and the video. I watched the original and I think he did well in the debate. You posting a video that is clearly against him is only evidence of your stance.
pixxel 1y ago
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nailer 1y ago

> I didn't really agree with his stances on immigration I haven't heard him say anything about immigration in general, merely illegal immigration which (should be) the exception, and should be a matter of crime not a matter of 'pro or con'.

thephyber 1y ago
He had a few ideas: See the “On Immigration” section. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk...
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