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This is nuts. I am deeply worried we are headed towards open armed conflict. The violence against political opponents must stop, no matter who it is.
by Molitor5901 1y ago
This is nuts. I am deeply worried we are headed towards open armed conflict. The violence against political opponents must stop, no matter who it is.
- osrec 1y ago[flagged]
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- Grollicus 1y ago> I know they are worlds apart, but just look at what happened in Nepal... They let hotel inhabitants leave before burning it down. The finance minister got caught by the mob and survived. Does make it seem quite controlled, imo.
- osrec 1y agoThe finance minister was paraded round the streets of Nepal in his underwear and badly beaten. Do you consider that controlled?
- WastedCucumber 1y agoFor those, like me, wondering what happened in Nepal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45166972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45166972 edit: this too - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45184558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45184558
- flyinglizard 1y ago[flagged]
- pjc50 1y agoThey assassinated some guys in Doha very recently.
- flyinglizard 1y agoNot “some guys” but Hamas leadership. Those “guys” brought the worst atrocities for Jews since the holocaust. Israel went after them just like it went after the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics massacre in 1972, and like US went after Bin Laden.
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- NewJazz 1y agoThe best prevention is deterrence.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago[flagged]
- NewJazz 1y agoThat's not what deterrence is.
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- yalogin 1y agoCan you give me links?
- hashbig 1y agoI just logged in to Bluesky to see what the left think of this and I wish I hadn't. I find it extremely disturbing that half the country are people who are very well educated, earning well above average from their white-collar careers, yet they still think political violence is acceptable or funny. This country is doomed.
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- selimthegrim 1y agoThis is the Harold Washington on Richard Daley response and the best take in my opinion.
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- randallsquared 1y agoIt's not clear what "restoring democracy" means, given that the US' current leadership was (I suppose!) elected in accordance with democratic norms.
- quietmonkey 1y agoPerhaps a good starting point would be whatever the complete opposite of this is: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/08/nyregion/cuomo-blau-donors-mayor.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/08/nyregion/cuomo-blau-donor...
- tomp 1y agoa lot of the damage has been done by exactly comments like there, implying that democracy has been destroyed
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- ratg13 1y agoRuling out nation state actors that have a vested interest in political divide and chaos and distraction is not the best starting point.
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- thephyber 1y agoMy starting point is: > extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I don’t need to “rule out” nation state actors. The onus is on someone to prove it involves nation state actors (and which nation is pretty important, too).
- ratg13 1y agoTranslation - I made up my own narrative
- tootie 1y agoIt may make no difference but as of now we have no idea who did this or why. We still have no idea what was the motive of the man who shot Trump's ear.
- komali2 1y agoWe don't know how motive? He didn't shoot Trump's ear, he shot Trump, because he wanted to kill Trump... I don't get how much clearer a motive could be!
- tootie 1y agoHis actions aren't a motive. They turned his life upside down and didn't find any strong political opinions and no indication he hated Trump. People also do stuff like this to get attention. The guy who shot at Reagan wanted to impress Jodie Foster.
- the_gastropod 1y agoThe biography of the kid shows no coherent political beliefs. He appeared to be interested in also killing Biden. It just so happens, Trump’s campaign event was very close to Crooks’ home. https://www.salon.com/2024/07/18/would-be-assassin-may-have-also-wanted-to-target-biden-fbi-officials-tell-congress/ https://www.salon.com/2024/07/18/would-be-assassin-may-have-...
- potato3732842 1y agoWe don't have "no idea". We have god knows how many hours of the dead guy spewing his opinions in 1080p and 4k. And for all of those variety opinions we know who gets pissed off by them. I mean, sure, it could've been a crazy ex or a former business partner or whatever. But how many crazy ex's can one guy have? And he's pissed off god knows how many people by saying things? Strictly by the numbers this was almost certainly someone who hated him for what he said. Statistically most people don't go out like Ozzy (i.e. spend a good chunk of your life doing something likely to be the death of you only to get dead by something completely unrelated)
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- misiti3780 1y agowhat are you implying?
- consumer451 1y agoThere is no need to self-censor a comment like this. If you believe that one political side is more prone to violence than the other, then say so and show your supporting data.
- pm90 1y ago> As of 2021, the United States government considers white supremacists to be the top domestic terrorism threat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_Un...
- OhioMan2943 1y agoAs an outside observer- what about as of 2025?
- tdeck 1y agoOnce they seize state power they can use that, so it's not considered terrorism.
- thephyber 1y agoFirst of all, the current calendar year never gets stats. It usually takes the FBI 1-2 years to release data because it’s mostly collected by 10,000s of local police agencies, then collated and normalized by the FBI. Even then, there were problems with the data because some police departments lied when filling out the forms (notably one department in Louisiana). But I also heard that the FBI stopped collecting it as part of the DOGE / DEI policy changes (because some of the fields / dimensions of analysis are racial). That said, the next challenge is to agree on what constitutes the left-right political spectrum in the US. I would argue it’s too vague to exist. It’s important to realize when a data point is describing gun violence or any source of violence, and whether it is violence against civilians or violence against the government as well.
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- morkalork 1y ago>Vice President JD Vance doesn’t ‘give a shit’ if you think lethal Venezuela boat strike was a war crime [1] Such is the state of rhetoric in the USA today. To quote a favourite show of mine: >Things will not calm down Daniel Jackson things will calm up [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-war-criminal-venezuela-boat-strike-b2821599.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
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- wslh 1y agoI recommend the movie "Civil War" very original. Not saying that will happen but the movie is great.
- thephyber 1y agoI found the movie to be hollow and contradictory to the point that I couldn’t suspend disbelief.
- sterlind 1y agohaven't seen it, so I shouldn't comment, but from the reviews they went out of their way to make the movie apolitical, or at least to obfuscate the setting's relation to our current zeitgeist. which resulted in a tortured, implausible scenario. if that was their goal, it would have been better to never explain the conflict in the first place. just start in medias res, with asemic dialogue and references. I wish they'd try again and do better.
- kaycey2022 1y agoI really liked it. Beautifully made film. But it just rides on shock value. It doesn't have anything interesting to say about the topic.
- paulryanrogers 1y agoMy takeaway was civil war isn't something to be desired in any way, not even journalists who might gain (money, work, notoriety) regardless of the outcome. The shock seems to be the point. Quite different from all the documentaries my dad was really into about the US civil war. (Many of which lionized the southern generals.) Or annoying "states rights" points that he seems to have picked up from some YouTube gutter.
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- dmix 1y agoPolitical violence is apparently on the decline in America. At least that’s what a study concluded late last year https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/22/us/politics/political-violence.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/22/us/politics/political-vio...
- anigbrowl 1y agoI don't think attitudinal surveys are of much value here. If you ask someone whether they support murder very few are going to give you an affirmative answer. Even people who advocate for political violence will jump through wild rhetorical hoops when challenged about it, eg arguing that communists aren't people and therefore killing them isn't murder. I think it's better to look at the actual incidence of violence than to extrapolate from weakly correlated leading indicators. https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-political-violence-in-the-united-states/ https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-poli...
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- shdh 1y agoIn police states there is stifling of free speech Your comment is largely hyperbolic and in bad faith
- fooker 1y agoYou mean, like deporting students for speaking out against Israel? Or is it free speech only for you?
- shdh 1y agoINA guidelines are very specific with regards to supporting terrorist groups. Visa revocations are within the scope of USCIS/DHS authority. I’d say in some cases it is overreach, but I would not characterize it as a police state. If it was a police state you’d see citizens being silenced.