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Calling people nazis and fascists nilly willy doesn't even count as hate speech...

sharkjacobs 1y ago
"Hate speech" isn't just hateful speech, it's a specific term with a specific meaning. Being a nazi isn't an inherent characteristic of a person, it's an affiliation or ideology that they consciously choose.
- xienze 1y ago
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  - o11c 1y ago
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    - xienze 1y ago
      Can you provide a source where a Republican says we need to target all immigrants? Or are you simply imagining things because the media always conflates illegal immigrants with legal ones?
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  - bcrosby95 1y ago
    Plenty of people I know believe illegal immigrants should be deported. The difference between them and people accused of being a Nazi is they don't go around calling them all rapists and murderers. The problem isn't the claimed actions they want to take, its the dehumanization being resorted to.
    - xienze 1y ago
      You’re exaggerating greatly, of course. Among those deported are rapists and murderers, naturally, and no one has stated that everyone being deported or even targeted is one (the recent Hyundai bust comes to mind). I challenge you to find that quote.
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- OCASMv2 1y ago
  No when it's a label deliberately misapplied to run of the mill conservatives. That's defamation with the purpose of generating hate against those people.
  - mindslight 1y ago
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    - OCASMv2 1y ago
      > autocratic authoritarian with a track record of hating American liberties and institutions It's that level of hysteria what causes moderates to shift to the right.
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        OCASMv2 1y ago
        1) That's just your impression of him. 2) Enforcement of the law requires force. Who would have thought? 3) If an institution is corrupt it should be reformed or destroyed. What's wrong with that? Nothing.
        mindslight 1y ago
        (1) is a postmodern relativist platitude. If you have a specific argument that I've judged something incorrectly, make it. I can't tell what point (2) is supposed to apply to. In general authoritarians are eager to use force to enforce top-down prescriptive laws, yes. (3) I didn't say it's wrong to destroy or gut institutions perceived as corrupt. What I said is that it's not conservative.
        OCASMv2 1y ago
- zahlman 1y ago
  >Being a nazi isn't an inherent characteristic of a person, it's an affiliation or ideology that they consciously choose. Sure. But the overwhelming majority of people called "nazis" by their political opponents have objectively not chosen anything remotely of the sort.

"Hate speech" isn't just hateful speech, it's a specific term with a specific meaning. Being a nazi isn't an inherent characteristic of a person, it's an affiliation or ideology that they consciously choose.

xienze 1y ago
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- o11c 1y ago
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  - xienze 1y ago
    Can you provide a source where a Republican says we need to target all immigrants? Or are you simply imagining things because the media always conflates illegal immigrants with legal ones?
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- bcrosby95 1y ago
  Plenty of people I know believe illegal immigrants should be deported. The difference between them and people accused of being a Nazi is they don't go around calling them all rapists and murderers. The problem isn't the claimed actions they want to take, its the dehumanization being resorted to.
  - xienze 1y ago
    You’re exaggerating greatly, of course. Among those deported are rapists and murderers, naturally, and no one has stated that everyone being deported or even targeted is one (the recent Hyundai bust comes to mind). I challenge you to find that quote.
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OCASMv2 1y ago
No when it's a label deliberately misapplied to run of the mill conservatives. That's defamation with the purpose of generating hate against those people.
- mindslight 1y ago
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  - OCASMv2 1y ago
    > autocratic authoritarian with a track record of hating American liberties and institutions It's that level of hysteria what causes moderates to shift to the right.
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      - OCASMv2 1y ago
        1) That's just your impression of him. 2) Enforcement of the law requires force. Who would have thought? 3) If an institution is corrupt it should be reformed or destroyed. What's wrong with that? Nothing.
        mindslight 1y ago
        (1) is a postmodern relativist platitude. If you have a specific argument that I've judged something incorrectly, make it. I can't tell what point (2) is supposed to apply to. In general authoritarians are eager to use force to enforce top-down prescriptive laws, yes. (3) I didn't say it's wrong to destroy or gut institutions perceived as corrupt. What I said is that it's not conservative.
        OCASMv2 1y ago
zahlman 1y ago
>Being a nazi isn't an inherent characteristic of a person, it's an affiliation or ideology that they consciously choose. Sure. But the overwhelming majority of people called "nazis" by their political opponents have objectively not chosen anything remotely of the sort.