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At the moment he was shot, he was answering for questions about transgender shootings. If the timing was calculated, it could be a political message or very str

by nicce 1y ago

At the moment he was shot, he was answering for questions about transgender shootings. If the timing was calculated, it could be a political message or very strong personal hatred in this context.

kennyloginz 1y ago
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qingcharles 1y ago
And his answer was bigoted. I'm paraphrasing, but I believe someone asked "do you know how many mass shooters are trans?" and he said "too many." Didn't like the guy, but he was just a guy expressing a horrible opinion. Violence was not the answer.
- al_borland 1y ago
  “Too many” sounds like a valid answer for any question about the number of mass shooters. Remove “trans” from the question and it’s still a valid answer. Substitute in any other demographic, and it’s still a valid answer (assuming someone from that demographic has been a shooter). Even one mass shooting is too many. It sounds like more of a loaded question than a problematic answer.
  - kashunstva 1y ago
    > It sounds like more of a loaded question than a problematic answer. I honestly don’t know what the actual factual answer to the question is. 1? 2? But the question warranted an answer, even if it was “I don’t know.” Given that the answer to many questions about mass shooting, specific or otherwise, is “too many,” the answer he gave offered no factual data. Maybe he was prepared to offer something more fact-based and nuanced. But to me the answer he gave comes off as dismissive, lacking in additional data, and possibly ideologically-motivated. I imagine the question was posed because many in the community adjacent to Kirk are looking for an excuse to see trans people further isolated and stripped of their rights. Forcing the debate - if we can call it that - into the world of facts doesn’t seem problematic to me.
  - npteljes 1y ago
    It's not a loaded question in itself, as much as a direct question to counter the anti-lgbtq propaganda that is being pushed. This question didn't start a narrative, it is asked to point out that an existing narrative is intentionally misleading. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-mass-shootings/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-mass-shootings... >Even one mass shooting is too many. This is a misrepresentation of the exchange. "Do you know how many are trans" "Too many" doesn't imply that there would be fewer mass shooting, it implies that the situation would be better if the same amount of mass shootings were happening, but the identities of the shooters would be different.
    - lostmsu 1y ago
      It doesn't imply either. You are being too uncharitable with your interpretation.
      - npteljes 1y ago
        It's not an uncharitable interpretation, but a literal one. Even then, I can see a world where we could let it go, because people sometimes just misspeak, public setting or not. But in this current case, the speaker's political background fits the interpretation perfectly, so I don't think that we need to explain it away.
        lostmsu 1y ago
        It is most certainly not the literal interpretation.
        npteljes 1y ago
        I agree, I misspoke. It's not the literal interpretation, it's the interpretation of what was being said, in the context of the speaker.
      - johnnyanmac 1y ago
        If you've every watched any of those person's footage, you'd know that there is no room for charitable interpretation. Put another way, if he was a HN member he was definitely be banned.
  - LordDragonfang 1y ago
    It might be a valid answer if he had not previously explicitly said that several deaths is not too many, the opposite of what you're implying he meant. > "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
- dinkumthinkum 1y ago
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  - solid_fuel 1y ago
    Actually, context matters. This particular comment came in the context of several people high in the trump administration voicing the _baseless_ opinion that trans people are a unique cause of mass shootings. This is clearly being done with the intention of stripping the right to bear arms from a vulnerable group of people. Charlie Kirk's response was bigoted, because it was to further his argument that trans people specifically should not be allowed to own guns. When 98% of mass shootings are carried out by men and less than 1% are carried out by trans people [0], it is - in fact - bigoted to blame the tiny, tiny minority. [0] https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/09/trans-people-mass-shootings-gun-violence/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/09/trans-people-...
- Rapzid 1y ago
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- whackernews 1y ago
  I don't understand, you think there aren't enough trans shooters? Just the right amount!? Am I making the same mistake as you?
- drewbeck 1y ago
  "Too many" is kind of a hilarious answer. It implies that there's a good or right mix of demographics for mass shooters, and, to Charlie, that mix should include fewer trans people. "Mass shooters should be cisgendered!" is a logical reframe of his position and it's just, like … what are you even saying?
  - qingcharles 1y ago
    I like this interpretation. The right is saying that being trans is a mental illness removing their right to bear arms. But what if they're simply saying that being trans should remove your right to be a mass shooter? That the right to be a mass shooter should be something that is reserved solely for cisgendered individuals?

by nicce 1y ago

At the moment he was shot, he was answering for questions about transgender shootings. If the timing was calculated, it could be a political message or very strong personal hatred in this context.

kennyloginz 1y ago

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qingcharles 1y ago

And his answer was bigoted. I'm paraphrasing, but I believe someone asked "do you know how many mass shooters are trans?" and he said "too many." Didn't like the guy, but he was just a guy expressing a horrible opinion. Violence was not the answer.

al_borland 1y ago
“Too many” sounds like a valid answer for any question about the number of mass shooters. Remove “trans” from the question and it’s still a valid answer. Substitute in any other demographic, and it’s still a valid answer (assuming someone from that demographic has been a shooter). Even one mass shooting is too many. It sounds like more of a loaded question than a problematic answer.
- kashunstva 1y ago
  > It sounds like more of a loaded question than a problematic answer. I honestly don’t know what the actual factual answer to the question is. 1? 2? But the question warranted an answer, even if it was “I don’t know.” Given that the answer to many questions about mass shooting, specific or otherwise, is “too many,” the answer he gave offered no factual data. Maybe he was prepared to offer something more fact-based and nuanced. But to me the answer he gave comes off as dismissive, lacking in additional data, and possibly ideologically-motivated. I imagine the question was posed because many in the community adjacent to Kirk are looking for an excuse to see trans people further isolated and stripped of their rights. Forcing the debate - if we can call it that - into the world of facts doesn’t seem problematic to me.
- npteljes 1y ago
  It's not a loaded question in itself, as much as a direct question to counter the anti-lgbtq propaganda that is being pushed. This question didn't start a narrative, it is asked to point out that an existing narrative is intentionally misleading. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-mass-shootings/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-mass-shootings... >Even one mass shooting is too many. This is a misrepresentation of the exchange. "Do you know how many are trans" "Too many" doesn't imply that there would be fewer mass shooting, it implies that the situation would be better if the same amount of mass shootings were happening, but the identities of the shooters would be different.
  - lostmsu 1y ago
    It doesn't imply either. You are being too uncharitable with your interpretation.
    - npteljes 1y ago
      It's not an uncharitable interpretation, but a literal one. Even then, I can see a world where we could let it go, because people sometimes just misspeak, public setting or not. But in this current case, the speaker's political background fits the interpretation perfectly, so I don't think that we need to explain it away.
      - lostmsu 1y ago
        It is most certainly not the literal interpretation.
        npteljes 1y ago
        I agree, I misspoke. It's not the literal interpretation, it's the interpretation of what was being said, in the context of the speaker.
    - johnnyanmac 1y ago
      If you've every watched any of those person's footage, you'd know that there is no room for charitable interpretation. Put another way, if he was a HN member he was definitely be banned.
- LordDragonfang 1y ago
  It might be a valid answer if he had not previously explicitly said that several deaths is not too many, the opposite of what you're implying he meant. > "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
dinkumthinkum 1y ago
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- solid_fuel 1y ago
  Actually, context matters. This particular comment came in the context of several people high in the trump administration voicing the _baseless_ opinion that trans people are a unique cause of mass shootings. This is clearly being done with the intention of stripping the right to bear arms from a vulnerable group of people. Charlie Kirk's response was bigoted, because it was to further his argument that trans people specifically should not be allowed to own guns. When 98% of mass shootings are carried out by men and less than 1% are carried out by trans people [0], it is - in fact - bigoted to blame the tiny, tiny minority. [0] https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/09/trans-people-mass-shootings-gun-violence/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/09/trans-people-...
Rapzid 1y ago
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whackernews 1y ago
I don't understand, you think there aren't enough trans shooters? Just the right amount!? Am I making the same mistake as you?
drewbeck 1y ago
"Too many" is kind of a hilarious answer. It implies that there's a good or right mix of demographics for mass shooters, and, to Charlie, that mix should include fewer trans people. "Mass shooters should be cisgendered!" is a logical reframe of his position and it's just, like … what are you even saying?
- qingcharles 1y ago
  I like this interpretation. The right is saying that being trans is a mental illness removing their right to bear arms. But what if they're simply saying that being trans should remove your right to be a mass shooter? That the right to be a mass shooter should be something that is reserved solely for cisgendered individuals?