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It's been a few hours since the shooting and no suspect is in custody. I wonder if he/she/they will ever be caught?

pjc50 1y ago
There's going to be a colossal manhunt. Every possible technology will be mobilized. And it's very hard not to slip up on opsec. Unless the guy leaves the country very quickly, I would expect him to be caught (or killed resisting arrest, the common fate of mass shootings).
- programjames 1y ago
  Note: it was an assassination, not a mass shooting. There was only one shot.
  - pjc50 1y ago
    One shot so far. One possible outcome is the shooter has a target list, or is emboldened by success. Some years ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks
    - programjames 1y ago
      I wouldn't expect behaviors from mass shooters to carry over to serial killers.
    - greedo 1y ago
      Vance Boelter...
    - another_twist 1y ago
      It sounds similar to the plot of The F*ck it List.
    - cman1444 1y ago
      Technically even that wouldn't be a "mass shooter". It would instead be a spree shooter or serial killer. But it's kind of beside the point.
  - jimt1234 1y ago
    Pedantic, but...why is this an assassination and not just a murder? Because he was more than likely targeted? Tupac was targeted (for some street-level bullshit), but I don't think anyone would call his demise an "assassination".
    - FinnKuhn 1y ago
      Assassinations usually target public figures for political or ideological motives and public impact. So a subcategory of murders if you want.
      - brewdad 1y ago
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        dang 1y ago
        You've posted three abusive comments to this thread in quick succession. That's not ok, and we have to ban such accounts. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45203452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45203452 and stop doing this, we'd appreciate it. (Your account is far from the only one posting abusively in this thread, and it's probably random that I happened to see your posts, but still - this is not ok.)
        FinnKuhn 1y ago
        Thank you for removing this so quickly.
    - OkayPhysicist 1y ago
      Assassinations are surprise killings of prominent individuals for political purposes. Targeted gang killings are an interesting case, because they are political within the context of intra- and inter-gang politics, but not viewed in that light in a broader context. If I was watching a documentary about two rival gangs, I probably wouldn't blink twice at someone referring to a hit on a rival leader as an assassination. In every day conversation, it would probably be weird, because the normal assumption is of the broader political sphere. People are calling this an assassination because they are making the (probably reasonable) guess that the reason to shoot Charlie Kirk during a political speech is to make a political statement.
- throwmeaway222 1y ago
  very likely he will be caught by his friends or family- everyone that does something like this slips up. The guy that shot United Healthcare's CEO was outed partially by his own mom in fact.
- hinkley 1y ago
  When I was in college a kid used a computer in a lab to send a death thread against Bill Clinton to whotehouse.gov. I recall this in part because it was the lab I did most of my hours in both as an employee and because it was near my friend’s appt so we would study there. Dude sent it from a computer two rows back from where I usually sat. Someone got up to use the bathroom and didn’t lock the machine. Dude thought he was being funny. But of course since he logged on to the adjacent machine he put himself on the suspect list and got caught. And in a hell of lot of trouble as I recall. I think he got expelled, too. That was for a prank, not an assassination. The thing some crime dramas don’t get right is that while circumstantial and tainted evidence cannot get you a conviction, it is absolutely possible for it to be used to prioritize manpower used to narrow you down to the top of the list. There’s a thing in law enforcement called Parallel Construction. It can be used to protect confidential informants such as in undercover operations, but it can also be used to replace evidence that was found illegally, such as illegal recording or theft by a neighbor. They just need to find something that follows process front to back. They don’t need to do that in order to figure out it was you in the first place. Statistics say the spouse or partner almost always committed the murder. Even lacking any evidence they look really really hard at these people. It’s not illegal or unfair to do so. It’s triage. If I’m looking at Mrs Fredrickson’s murder, I’m not looking at any cold cases or spending effort on many other active cases. It’s unfortunately a numbers game.
- qaq 1y ago
  Depends on shooter's background. For state actors the easiest way to undermine US is to continue pushing towards more political violence in US via any and all means.
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xdennis 1y ago
At a public event like this there are hundreds of cameras. He will definitely be caught.
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the_real_cher 1y ago
There's already videos being released showing the shooter on a roof. I have a feeling he'll get caught.
aaron695 1y ago
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There's going to be a colossal manhunt. Every possible technology will be mobilized. And it's very hard not to slip up on opsec. Unless the guy leaves the country very quickly, I would expect him to be caught (or killed resisting arrest, the common fate of mass shootings).

programjames 1y ago
Note: it was an assassination, not a mass shooting. There was only one shot.
- pjc50 1y ago
  One shot so far. One possible outcome is the shooter has a target list, or is emboldened by success. Some years ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks
  - programjames 1y ago
    I wouldn't expect behaviors from mass shooters to carry over to serial killers.
  - greedo 1y ago
    Vance Boelter...
  - another_twist 1y ago
    It sounds similar to the plot of The F*ck it List.
  - cman1444 1y ago
    Technically even that wouldn't be a "mass shooter". It would instead be a spree shooter or serial killer. But it's kind of beside the point.
- jimt1234 1y ago
  Pedantic, but...why is this an assassination and not just a murder? Because he was more than likely targeted? Tupac was targeted (for some street-level bullshit), but I don't think anyone would call his demise an "assassination".
  - FinnKuhn 1y ago
    Assassinations usually target public figures for political or ideological motives and public impact. So a subcategory of murders if you want.
    - brewdad 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - dang 1y ago
        You've posted three abusive comments to this thread in quick succession. That's not ok, and we have to ban such accounts. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45203452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45203452 and stop doing this, we'd appreciate it. (Your account is far from the only one posting abusively in this thread, and it's probably random that I happened to see your posts, but still - this is not ok.)
        FinnKuhn 1y ago
        Thank you for removing this so quickly.
  - OkayPhysicist 1y ago
    Assassinations are surprise killings of prominent individuals for political purposes. Targeted gang killings are an interesting case, because they are political within the context of intra- and inter-gang politics, but not viewed in that light in a broader context. If I was watching a documentary about two rival gangs, I probably wouldn't blink twice at someone referring to a hit on a rival leader as an assassination. In every day conversation, it would probably be weird, because the normal assumption is of the broader political sphere. People are calling this an assassination because they are making the (probably reasonable) guess that the reason to shoot Charlie Kirk during a political speech is to make a political statement.
throwmeaway222 1y ago
very likely he will be caught by his friends or family- everyone that does something like this slips up. The guy that shot United Healthcare's CEO was outed partially by his own mom in fact.
hinkley 1y ago
When I was in college a kid used a computer in a lab to send a death thread against Bill Clinton to whotehouse.gov. I recall this in part because it was the lab I did most of my hours in both as an employee and because it was near my friend’s appt so we would study there. Dude sent it from a computer two rows back from where I usually sat. Someone got up to use the bathroom and didn’t lock the machine. Dude thought he was being funny. But of course since he logged on to the adjacent machine he put himself on the suspect list and got caught. And in a hell of lot of trouble as I recall. I think he got expelled, too. That was for a prank, not an assassination. The thing some crime dramas don’t get right is that while circumstantial and tainted evidence cannot get you a conviction, it is absolutely possible for it to be used to prioritize manpower used to narrow you down to the top of the list. There’s a thing in law enforcement called Parallel Construction. It can be used to protect confidential informants such as in undercover operations, but it can also be used to replace evidence that was found illegally, such as illegal recording or theft by a neighbor. They just need to find something that follows process front to back. They don’t need to do that in order to figure out it was you in the first place. Statistics say the spouse or partner almost always committed the murder. Even lacking any evidence they look really really hard at these people. It’s not illegal or unfair to do so. It’s triage. If I’m looking at Mrs Fredrickson’s murder, I’m not looking at any cold cases or spending effort on many other active cases. It’s unfortunately a numbers game.
qaq 1y ago
Depends on shooter's background. For state actors the easiest way to undermine US is to continue pushing towards more political violence in US via any and all means.
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xdennis 1y ago

At a public event like this there are hundreds of cameras. He will definitely be caught.

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the_real_cher 1y ago

There's already videos being released showing the shooter on a roof. I have a feeling he'll get caught.

aaron695 1y ago

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