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He didn't wish for stuff like this to happen. He was saying that the 2nd amendment is more important than losing it even if some people die as a result. This i
by ImJamal 1y ago
He didn't wish for stuff like this to happen. He was saying that the 2nd amendment is more important than losing it even if some people die as a result.
This is no different than many of us who think that the 1st amendment is worth retaining even if people use it to hire hitman or coordinate kidnappings and what not.
- klaff 1y agoWhat does the first amendment have to do with hiring a hit man?
- ImJamal 1y agoSorry, I wasn't clear. People support encryption saying they have the right to private communication and algorithms are protected under the first amendment. People use encrypted communication to do unsavory things like hiring hitmen, viewing child porn, etc.
- slg 1y agoPart of the problem with defining the 2nd amendment as a defense against tyranny, like Kirk did, is that none of us have any control over how one crazy individual defines tyranny. I don’t fear what that hypothetical crazy individual can do with their 1st amendment rights, but I do fear what they can do with their 2nd amendment rights.
- ImJamal 1y ago> I don’t fear what that hypothetical crazy individual can do with their 1st amendment rights Plenty of people use free speech to do bad things. Look at Trump using his rhetoric to get into power. Or outside the US you can see all sorts of crazy leaders gaining power.
- slg 1y agoSorry, I’m not going to follow you down this path. Violence is more dangerous than words. It’s one of the first lessons we all learn as kids, sticks and stones…
- ImJamal 1y agoI'm not saying that words are more dangerous. I'm saying that allowing certain speech can lead to violence yet many of us would still like to protect free speech.
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- jakeinspace 1y agoNeither of those things are considered protected speech, and you can be imprisoned for conspiracy to commit kidnapping/murder even if neither actually occur.
- ImJamal 1y agoAnd murder is against the law and not a proper use of the 2nd amendment. My point is that people can abuse their rights to do bad things. We don't use people doing bad things with their speech to remove the 1st amendment.