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Yeah. As an American these arguments are really absurd though. When was the last time a lone hero with a gun stopped gun violence? I think those arguments are r

by throwway120385 1y ago

Yeah. As an American these arguments are really absurd though. When was the last time a lone hero with a gun stopped gun violence? I think those arguments are really just the gun companies trying to market this idea of the "lone individual" as a hero protecting their personal space. It helps them sell more guns. But when the rubber meets the road, a "good guy" packing is more likely to shoot a bystander than an assailant. The marketing seemingly appeals to men on the same grounds as video games -- there's some great protagonist who saves everyone with their powerful and timely shooting.

mothballed 1y ago
Here's one example since you asked for one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting My man was only 22 year old, no CCW license, even broke the rules of the mall and carried anyway. And he smoked a mall shooter before he could barely even get started, with a pistol from like 60 feet away.
throwaway-blaze 1y ago
That simply isn't true and the statistics on "good guys with guns" do not show that they are more likely to shoot a bystander. I dont; want everyone on the street packing, either, but at least use real info to make arguments.
HaZeust 1y ago
In a country that has more guns than people, you ought to have more faith in humanity when gun violence isn't nearly as high as you would think.
- throwway120385 1y ago
  Are you asking me to accept a country where parents have to consider sending their kid to school in a bullet proof backpack because the school shootings are a matter of course? How high should I be willing to accept? Should I be okay with shootings in traffic, or at bars, or at concerts? What do you think should be done about that? Should I just accept that my son might not live to adulthood because some maladjusted kid gets a rifle from their parents and decides to start shooting their classmates? This is the only country in the world where that regularly happens.
  - HaZeust 1y ago
    I'm not asking you to do anything. As for how you worded the rest of this entire comment, talk about loaded questions.

mothballed 1y ago

Here's one example since you asked for one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting My man was only 22 year old, no CCW license, even broke the rules of the mall and carried anyway. And he smoked a mall shooter before he could barely even get started, with a pistol from like 60 feet away.

throwaway-blaze 1y ago

That simply isn't true and the statistics on "good guys with guns" do not show that they are more likely to shoot a bystander. I dont; want everyone on the street packing, either, but at least use real info to make arguments.

HaZeust 1y ago

In a country that has more guns than people, you ought to have more faith in humanity when gun violence isn't nearly as high as you would think.

throwway120385 1y ago
Are you asking me to accept a country where parents have to consider sending their kid to school in a bullet proof backpack because the school shootings are a matter of course? How high should I be willing to accept? Should I be okay with shootings in traffic, or at bars, or at concerts? What do you think should be done about that? Should I just accept that my son might not live to adulthood because some maladjusted kid gets a rifle from their parents and decides to start shooting their classmates? This is the only country in the world where that regularly happens.
- HaZeust 1y ago
  I'm not asking you to do anything. As for how you worded the rest of this entire comment, talk about loaded questions.