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Personally it impacted me in a way that I have lost faith in humanity. Everybody talks, but no body cares, no body takes serious actions. Kids, women, elderly,

by ok1984 1y ago

Personally it impacted me in a way that I have lost faith in humanity. Everybody talks, but no body cares, no body takes serious actions. Kids, women, elderly, whole families are being killed for almost two years and no body gives a shit. Millions of people trapped in a land and moved from north to south from south to north like animals, have you seen videos of starving people running in masses to get food from aids thrown from the air? I can’t beilieve such things are happening in 2025! Sometimes I think, what would I do if I was put under such circumstances? How much hate would I accumulate? What if something happens to my kids? What if I see my kids starving in front of me and I can do nothing about it? Also big companies, they only care about money, ethics and morale do not exist, they only care about money money and more money. Countries fighting for women rights in Iran and Saudi (which I agree with) but at the same time, those same countries don’t say anything about the killing of innocent people, pure hypocrites.

cbeach 1y ago
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- ok1984 1y ago
  Come on man, try to put yourself in others people shoes and have a bit of humanity otherwise the hate cycle will never end. I never thought that people should be killed because of an election, today almost 50% of Gaza people are <18 which means they were not even born when the elections of 2006! are we saying that 1M are responsible for what is happening to them? Also, in the future the same argument could be used against the other party blaming them that they elected a far-right party, both parties should settle down and end this hate cycle once and for all. And please we are in 2025 we are not in WWII anymore, if it happened to germany doesn’t justify making it happen again, we should learn from the mistakes of the past instead of repeating them.
  - cbeach 1y ago
    If Gaza were rid of the Islamist terrorists that lead then then it would be better for Israel and also much better for the innocent youth of Gaza. Unfortunately there is no way for the innocent youth of Gaza to rid themselves of Hamas. In fact Hamas actively endoctrinates the youth. The only way for Gazan youth to be saved from a cycle of terrorist-led hatred is for Israel (or another developed power) to remove the terrorists.
    - ok1984 1y ago
      Don’t you think that what is happening will lead to a generation that hates their neighbours even more? If I were in charge, I would create the circumstances that prevent poverty, create work, and encourage cooperation between both nations hoping that time will heal the hate and anger that both sides accumulated over the years, this requires wisdom and patience from the political party that is smart enough to understand that neither party can redeem the whole land for themselves. But as long as each party refuses to accept the other, regardless if they say it publicly or not the hate will never end.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        unrwa schools teach since 50s about liberation of entire palestine from jews by force[0], jihad and glorification of martyrs[9]. change of curriculum was one of main israeli demands since oslo days because it was obvious that when you teach hate in schools it's not going to end up well for anyone. not sure that "even more hate" is something that people in Israel care about now. Israel was biggest employer of palestinians from gaza and west bank. In fact, week before oct 7 number of work permits for gazans went up by 10k or 15k. This was because there were thought that economically stable gaza will be less likely violent and that hamas is somewhat interested in state building and prosperity. In aftermath of oct 7th turned out that workers from gaza (with permits) were scouting areas where they worked in order to make a detailed maps for attack and a bunch of attackers actually carried work permits. when israel left gaza in 2005, inside israel was popular expression that "now that palestinians have complete self rule there, it's up to them what to build there, singapore or somali". there is an israeli investor [1] who created design center in gaza, donated there money to hospital and employed palestinians from gaza and west bank. he daugher was murdered at nova. a bunch of people who lived in kibutzim around gaza were hardcore left and used to drive palestinians from gaza to treatments in israeli hospitals. they were murdered as well. [0] https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132561290.pdf https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132... [9] https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/Gazas-Educational-Frameworks.pdf https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/Gazas-Education... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67679634 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67679634
- thefunkychook 1y ago
  The events of October 7th were an atrocity. The illegal settlements and extrajudicial killing of Palestinians prior to October 7th was an atrocity. The launching of rockets into Israel were atrocities. Israeli citizens cheering and watching from deck chairs while white phosphorus was dropped onto Gaza was an atrocity. And this ongoing slaughter, starving of civilians, murder of people waiting for aid in designated humanitarian areas, targeting of doctors, journalists, aid workers, double tapping of hospitals, missile strikes on other sovereign states who are hosting negotiations... Those are atrocities. The whole history is riddled with atrocity on both sides. The only way out of this, while retaining some shred of humanity is through diplomacy, upholding international law, and centring the role of civil society and the huge numbers on both sides who want a peaceful, just coexistence. The whole thing is sickening. Also hard to see how this can possibly improve Israel's security in the long term.
- aosaigh 1y ago
  Planned starvation of civilians is not "the unfortunate reality of losing a war". Blocking aid is not "the unfortunate reality of losing a war". Bombing hospitals is not "the unfortunate reality of losing a war".
  - petralithic 1y ago
    All of those things happened in wars throughout history so they are, unfortunately, the reality of losing this war. Don't confuse what you wish to not be true to what is actually true, geographically and historically speaking.
petralithic 1y ago
Serious question, have other past conflicts in history not made you also lose faith in humanity? Studying what people did to each other even thousands of years ago, systematically beheading and parading them around on spikes for example, as many civilizations have done, has made me realize that humans simply do not change, for our biology and psychology remains the same. Even still, have previous recent or concurrent conflicts like Myanmar or Sudan not caused you to lose faith either? I often find people who say this have some personal vested interest in this particular conflict and find it somewhat hypocritical that other such conflicts have not moved them the same way, for it's still humans fighting each other after all. > Also big companies, they only care about money, ethics and morale do not exist, they only care about money money and more money. I mean, yes, that is the purpose of corporations, they do not have morals by themselves. They are like machines to absorb money, you wouldn't expect a lawnmower to have ethics when it runs you over.
- ok1984 1y ago
  Yes all recent wars, but the comment was on a question related to Gaza. Still gaza war feels different, maybe because it’s almost streamed live on social media platforms by the directly impacted people? I don’t agree with the statement that corporations are machines to absorb money, behind corporations there are people and people must have morale.
  - austin-cheney 1y ago
    It feels different because as horrible as other conflicts are they at least have a military objective. For example Russian invasion of Ukraine is horrible but I can see some strategic purpose to it for Russia. Gaza just feels like a Genocide.
    - cm2012 1y ago
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      - abdusco 1y ago
Gibbon1 1y ago
My opinion is caring about the Palestinians is incredibly performative. People that claim to care about Palestinians care about 'the cause' but not the individuals themselves.
- NomDePlum 1y ago
  What "cause"? Not sure I understand that? My main concern is how quickly what I would have considered Western value structures, democracy, press freedom, international law, reasonableness have evaporated and I now see the West, and the US in particular very differently. Allowing one group, in fact enabling them in so many ways, of people who we have close affiliations with to kill, starve, displace and torture an entire population, no matter the reason, just makes me see the world in a very different way. This centuries illegal wars had opened my eyes somewhat but even those I'm going back to and re-evaluating and seeing them and the current situation as frankly great evils. I'm old enough to not really have to worry for myself, but selfishly it does make me very concerned for my children. And yes I am more than concerned for the Palestinians, if that is the "cause" you are referring to.
- racktash 1y ago
  I used to think this, and I was so wrong. Or course some attend the rallies for foolish reasons, but I found that a lot of what I believed about the Israel-Palestine situation was effectively Israeli propaganda (and grossly untrue). The mistreatment of the Palestinians is long running, deliberate, calculated. The recent blood bath in Gaza is another entry in a long running tragedy. Between River and Sea by Dervla Murphy is a wonderful, humane examination of the country. It's over a decade old but still very informative without being academic or dry. I would recommend it highly.
kypro 1y ago
Our ability to apply empathy selectively is the root cause of most of the evil in the world. I myself struggle to understand why some things when they happen to some people move me so deeply, but when similar things happen to others I feel much less. I obviously don't choose to behaviour in this way, but that seems to be how we are wired. I guess the difference is that I'm aware of it and I try to fight it. The ability to empathise with those whom you disagree with or share little in common with is a skill that can be learnt, and one we should try to teach to our children. And I mean this in its most extreme sense. If you can't empathise with someone you find truly bad/evil, that's a problem because we can always view others as bad/evil if it allows us to justify our lack of empathy towards them. Typically its those who we believe instinctively deserve the least empathy which we must proactively try our hardest to understand and care about. You see this all the time in war – they're the bad guys and deserve the bad things we do. Unfortunately I'm not sure how practical what I'm saying is at its limit. Something you quickly realise when you practise being empathetic to everyone is that people will take advantage of that. But still, as a trend the world would be much a better place if more people could see past differences and care for the suffering of people equally.

by ok1984 1y ago

cbeach 1y ago

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ok1984 1y ago
Come on man, try to put yourself in others people shoes and have a bit of humanity otherwise the hate cycle will never end. I never thought that people should be killed because of an election, today almost 50% of Gaza people are <18 which means they were not even born when the elections of 2006! are we saying that 1M are responsible for what is happening to them? Also, in the future the same argument could be used against the other party blaming them that they elected a far-right party, both parties should settle down and end this hate cycle once and for all. And please we are in 2025 we are not in WWII anymore, if it happened to germany doesn’t justify making it happen again, we should learn from the mistakes of the past instead of repeating them.
- cbeach 1y ago
  If Gaza were rid of the Islamist terrorists that lead then then it would be better for Israel and also much better for the innocent youth of Gaza. Unfortunately there is no way for the innocent youth of Gaza to rid themselves of Hamas. In fact Hamas actively endoctrinates the youth. The only way for Gazan youth to be saved from a cycle of terrorist-led hatred is for Israel (or another developed power) to remove the terrorists.
  - ok1984 1y ago
    Don’t you think that what is happening will lead to a generation that hates their neighbours even more? If I were in charge, I would create the circumstances that prevent poverty, create work, and encourage cooperation between both nations hoping that time will heal the hate and anger that both sides accumulated over the years, this requires wisdom and patience from the political party that is smart enough to understand that neither party can redeem the whole land for themselves. But as long as each party refuses to accept the other, regardless if they say it publicly or not the hate will never end.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      unrwa schools teach since 50s about liberation of entire palestine from jews by force[0], jihad and glorification of martyrs[9]. change of curriculum was one of main israeli demands since oslo days because it was obvious that when you teach hate in schools it's not going to end up well for anyone. not sure that "even more hate" is something that people in Israel care about now. Israel was biggest employer of palestinians from gaza and west bank. In fact, week before oct 7 number of work permits for gazans went up by 10k or 15k. This was because there were thought that economically stable gaza will be less likely violent and that hamas is somewhat interested in state building and prosperity. In aftermath of oct 7th turned out that workers from gaza (with permits) were scouting areas where they worked in order to make a detailed maps for attack and a bunch of attackers actually carried work permits. when israel left gaza in 2005, inside israel was popular expression that "now that palestinians have complete self rule there, it's up to them what to build there, singapore or somali". there is an israeli investor [1] who created design center in gaza, donated there money to hospital and employed palestinians from gaza and west bank. he daugher was murdered at nova. a bunch of people who lived in kibutzim around gaza were hardcore left and used to drive palestinians from gaza to treatments in israeli hospitals. they were murdered as well. [0] https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132561290.pdf https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132... [9] https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/Gazas-Educational-Frameworks.pdf https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/Gazas-Education... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67679634 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67679634
thefunkychook 1y ago
The events of October 7th were an atrocity. The illegal settlements and extrajudicial killing of Palestinians prior to October 7th was an atrocity. The launching of rockets into Israel were atrocities. Israeli citizens cheering and watching from deck chairs while white phosphorus was dropped onto Gaza was an atrocity. And this ongoing slaughter, starving of civilians, murder of people waiting for aid in designated humanitarian areas, targeting of doctors, journalists, aid workers, double tapping of hospitals, missile strikes on other sovereign states who are hosting negotiations... Those are atrocities. The whole history is riddled with atrocity on both sides. The only way out of this, while retaining some shred of humanity is through diplomacy, upholding international law, and centring the role of civil society and the huge numbers on both sides who want a peaceful, just coexistence. The whole thing is sickening. Also hard to see how this can possibly improve Israel's security in the long term.
aosaigh 1y ago
Planned starvation of civilians is not "the unfortunate reality of losing a war". Blocking aid is not "the unfortunate reality of losing a war". Bombing hospitals is not "the unfortunate reality of losing a war".
- petralithic 1y ago
  All of those things happened in wars throughout history so they are, unfortunately, the reality of losing this war. Don't confuse what you wish to not be true to what is actually true, geographically and historically speaking.

petralithic 1y ago

Serious question, have other past conflicts in history not made you also lose faith in humanity? Studying what people did to each other even thousands of years ago, systematically beheading and parading them around on spikes for example, as many civilizations have done, has made me realize that humans simply do not change, for our biology and psychology remains the same. Even still, have previous recent or concurrent conflicts like Myanmar or Sudan not caused you to lose faith either? I often find people who say this have some personal vested interest in this particular conflict and find it somewhat hypocritical that other such conflicts have not moved them the same way, for it's still humans fighting each other after all. > Also big companies, they only care about money, ethics and morale do not exist, they only care about money money and more money. I mean, yes, that is the purpose of corporations, they do not have morals by themselves. They are like machines to absorb money, you wouldn't expect a lawnmower to have ethics when it runs you over.

ok1984 1y ago
Yes all recent wars, but the comment was on a question related to Gaza. Still gaza war feels different, maybe because it’s almost streamed live on social media platforms by the directly impacted people? I don’t agree with the statement that corporations are machines to absorb money, behind corporations there are people and people must have morale.
- austin-cheney 1y ago
  It feels different because as horrible as other conflicts are they at least have a military objective. For example Russian invasion of Ukraine is horrible but I can see some strategic purpose to it for Russia. Gaza just feels like a Genocide.
  - cm2012 1y ago
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    - abdusco 1y ago

Gibbon1 1y ago

My opinion is caring about the Palestinians is incredibly performative. People that claim to care about Palestinians care about 'the cause' but not the individuals themselves.

NomDePlum 1y ago
What "cause"? Not sure I understand that? My main concern is how quickly what I would have considered Western value structures, democracy, press freedom, international law, reasonableness have evaporated and I now see the West, and the US in particular very differently. Allowing one group, in fact enabling them in so many ways, of people who we have close affiliations with to kill, starve, displace and torture an entire population, no matter the reason, just makes me see the world in a very different way. This centuries illegal wars had opened my eyes somewhat but even those I'm going back to and re-evaluating and seeing them and the current situation as frankly great evils. I'm old enough to not really have to worry for myself, but selfishly it does make me very concerned for my children. And yes I am more than concerned for the Palestinians, if that is the "cause" you are referring to.
racktash 1y ago
I used to think this, and I was so wrong. Or course some attend the rallies for foolish reasons, but I found that a lot of what I believed about the Israel-Palestine situation was effectively Israeli propaganda (and grossly untrue). The mistreatment of the Palestinians is long running, deliberate, calculated. The recent blood bath in Gaza is another entry in a long running tragedy. Between River and Sea by Dervla Murphy is a wonderful, humane examination of the country. It's over a decade old but still very informative without being academic or dry. I would recommend it highly.

kypro 1y ago

Our ability to apply empathy selectively is the root cause of most of the evil in the world. I myself struggle to understand why some things when they happen to some people move me so deeply, but when similar things happen to others I feel much less. I obviously don't choose to behaviour in this way, but that seems to be how we are wired. I guess the difference is that I'm aware of it and I try to fight it. The ability to empathise with those whom you disagree with or share little in common with is a skill that can be learnt, and one we should try to teach to our children. And I mean this in its most extreme sense. If you can't empathise with someone you find truly bad/evil, that's a problem because we can always view others as bad/evil if it allows us to justify our lack of empathy towards them. Typically its those who we believe instinctively deserve the least empathy which we must proactively try our hardest to understand and care about. You see this all the time in war – they're the bad guys and deserve the bad things we do. Unfortunately I'm not sure how practical what I'm saying is at its limit. Something you quickly realise when you practise being empathetic to everyone is that people will take advantage of that. But still, as a trend the world would be much a better place if more people could see past differences and care for the suffering of people equally.