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But if harm was caused, The Guardian would probably be more explicit about it. They wouldn't beat around the bush in how they word it.
by jimbo808 1y ago
But if harm was caused, The Guardian would probably be more explicit about it. They wouldn't beat around the bush in how they word it.
- rich_sasha 1y agoIf Ice detained me, kept me in kafkaesque isolation, shuttled me around for a few hours from one detention centre to another, but did no other harm, I'd probably also be happy to GTFO, and might even concede no harm was done.
- mindslight 1y agoBaseless detainment and coercion, kicking a law-abiding America-contributing worker out of the country, interrupting the building of a new domestic factory, and making an allied country wary of working with us are the harms. You're just ignoring them, because you've been propagandized to think the victims deserved it.
- jimbo808 1y agoThat is a very different issue than what the article implies. The implication of the article was that something very illegal happened. What you're implying is not necessarily illegal, but I agree it is harmful.
- mindslight 1y agoI mean, someone was kidnapped, and then coerced into giving up their visa. Kidnapping is very illegal, and so is extortion.
- jimbo808 1y agoKidnapped or detained? These words mean the same thing to you?
- mindslight 1y agoI don't know what distinction you're trying to draw. I assumed they moved the victim some time in the course of the detainment. Call it unlawful detainment if you want.