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> In the US there are a few obvious things, but everyone acts as if we are powerless to solve them Yes but they aren’t the things you said: 1. Schools are fil
by monkeyelite 1y ago
> In the US there are a few obvious things, but everyone acts as if we are powerless to solve them
Yes but they aren’t the things you said:
1. Schools are filled with disruptive kids who use up time and resources and are not removed.
2. Teachers have no enforcement authority so they cannot do any of what you said, including removing phones.
3. Teachers and administrators are generally not smart or capable and continue to spend resources on everything except time spent reading, writing, and doing math.
4. Teachers are trapped in a web of legal red tape, bad incentives, and horrible metrics.
5. The US is segregated by by class and education.
- etempleton 1y agoDistricts need to make district-wide policies and have clear action steps that happens if a student is caught with the phone out.
- monkeyelite 1y agoWhat are some examples of consequences they would enforce?
- etempleton 1y agoFirst offense > phone goes in a lock box for the day Second offense > in school suspension Third offense > out of school suspension
- monkeyelite 1y agoSchools won’t suspend problem students
- stonemetal12 1y agoIs 1 even true? I can't say I have ever heard of a school that allows phones out in class. Taking them till the end of school, or making a parent come claim them is the standard punishment I have seen.
- monkeyelite 1y agoTaking them implies they have respect to give them to you or you are willing to use force to get them. Neither exist. Sending them home implies there is a parent who cares and will come.
- bwestergard 1y agoAnecdote: I have spoken to primary school teachers on the east coast of the United States who report that in recent years, there were not supported by parents and administrators when trying to separate kids from their phones ins school.
- stetrain 1y agoThis was the case in schools 15+ years ago, but recently a lot have had more problems with parents complaining about teachers taking away their child's phone. Part of it is that phones are more expensive, a $900 iPhone vs a $100 Nokia. Another is (perhaps founded) anxiety about their child needing to have a way to communicate to the outside world in an emergency situation like a school shooting. Also people get used to things, and modern parents have grown used to being able to text and check on their child any time of day at any location versus sending them off on their bike with no phone and telling them to be back by the time the street lights come on. It's definitely a problem that needs to be addressed and it needs strong backing from higher levels of administration so it doesn't become an argument of each teacher versus angry parents.
- arcfour 1y ago> Another is (perhaps founded) anxiety about their child needing to have a way to communicate to the outside world in an emergency situation like a school shooting. Yes, a situation less likely to happen than being struck by lightning. Very founded! Not to mention you can just, I dunno, borrow anyone else's phone and have one or two phone numbers memorized? Assuming if they are in an emergency and alone they are not going to be saved by a phone.
- stetrain 1y ago
- tiborsaas 1y ago> 2. Teachers have no enforcement authority so they cannot do any of what you said, including removing phones. If it's school policy, the teacher could say that offending students can get suspended or some similar measure.