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> users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results. The reason I pay for Kagi is that I specifi

> users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results. The reason I pay for Kagi is that I specifically don't want this to occur.

Workaccount2 1y ago
How much do you technologically relate to the average person on the street though? Every person I have seen (outside the tiny tech bubble) google something has just read the AI overview without skipping a beat.
- throwmeaway222 1y ago
  At this point the web is also so centralized you only need 3 bookmarks these days (your news, youtube and Amazon) A search is just learning what you don't know and AI does a better job than search has ever done for me - and I'm in tech.
- jkestner 1y ago
  We’re being force fed them. I’m an AI hater and I catch myself reading those sometimes. Yes, people want the answer directly. Google wants you to stay on their site to read some mishmash. I think the ideal would be to immediately go to the source’s site.
- yepitwas 1y ago
  That's worrisome since I've seen those be for-sure wrong a pretty high percentage of the time. [EDIT] Incidentally, are there any sites that do actual web search any more, better than Yandex? I'd rather avoid a Russian site if I can, but there are whole topics where it's impossible to find anything useful on heavily "massaged" allegedly-Web-search-but-not-really sites like Google and DDG (Bing), but I can find what I want on page 1 or 2 of a Yandex search. Is Kagi as good as that, or is their index simply ignoring a whole bunch of the Web like so many others? I don't mind paying.
  - franktankbank 1y ago
    Yep, same here. Ask it "should I wash venison tenderloin" and you get an initial "No, because" followed by a generally "yes its important to clean including with water" in the longer description. Wow a self contradictory answer! Good job!
  - degamad 1y ago
    Google "Web" results (not the default results you get when you search) still seem okay for me. You can force them with the udm=14 url trick, or select the "Web" tab in the results. No AI, no images or shopping results, and slightly better text results.
OutOfHere 1y ago
If you pay for a service (web search) that 99.9% use for free, you're an extreme outlier, and not necessarily a justifiable one either. After all, DDG, Google and various others still have raw results for free.

> users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results. The reason I pay for Kagi is that I specifically don't want this to occur.

Workaccount2 1y ago

How much do you technologically relate to the average person on the street though? Every person I have seen (outside the tiny tech bubble) google something has just read the AI overview without skipping a beat.

throwmeaway222 1y ago
At this point the web is also so centralized you only need 3 bookmarks these days (your news, youtube and Amazon) A search is just learning what you don't know and AI does a better job than search has ever done for me - and I'm in tech.
jkestner 1y ago
We’re being force fed them. I’m an AI hater and I catch myself reading those sometimes. Yes, people want the answer directly. Google wants you to stay on their site to read some mishmash. I think the ideal would be to immediately go to the source’s site.
yepitwas 1y ago
That's worrisome since I've seen those be for-sure wrong a pretty high percentage of the time. [EDIT] Incidentally, are there any sites that do actual web search any more, better than Yandex? I'd rather avoid a Russian site if I can, but there are whole topics where it's impossible to find anything useful on heavily "massaged" allegedly-Web-search-but-not-really sites like Google and DDG (Bing), but I can find what I want on page 1 or 2 of a Yandex search. Is Kagi as good as that, or is their index simply ignoring a whole bunch of the Web like so many others? I don't mind paying.
- franktankbank 1y ago
  Yep, same here. Ask it "should I wash venison tenderloin" and you get an initial "No, because" followed by a generally "yes its important to clean including with water" in the longer description. Wow a self contradictory answer! Good job!
- degamad 1y ago
  Google "Web" results (not the default results you get when you search) still seem okay for me. You can force them with the udm=14 url trick, or select the "Web" tab in the results. No AI, no images or shopping results, and slightly better text results.

OutOfHere 1y ago

If you pay for a service (web search) that 99.9% use for free, you're an extreme outlier, and not necessarily a justifiable one either. After all, DDG, Google and various others still have raw results for free.