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If you have debunked the tic-tac footage or the Agaduilla one I am all ears.

by lucasRW 1y ago

trenchpilgrim 1y ago
Mick West made a convincing analysis several years ago: https://youtu.be/qsEjV8DdSbs https://youtu.be/qsEjV8DdSbs
- lucasRW 1y ago
  Interesting video and anlysis to learn how a gimbal camera tracks and records objects, but that doesn't really address any of the points as to what those objects (since there were several, observed first by radar operators before fighter jets were dispatched) may have been.
  - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
    From the video and analysis, we can see the footage is consistent with a man-made aircraft such as an airplane or drone. So these seem likeliest. Unfortunately we don't have any public radar data to evaluate - only hearsay which is very often unreliable.
    - lucasRW 1y ago
      No, YOU can see that, but many cannot, including the radar operators in the first place, who scrambled fighter jets after they had already observed those objected doing crazy manoeuvres, like dropping 10,000 feet in 2 seconds and vice-versa.
      - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
        Do you have a reliable source for this claim? I don't believe claims from pilots without corresponding evidence because I know a bunch of civilian and military pilots and many fall victim to the same logical fallacies, hearsay and poor memory that regular people do. Show me the data.
        lucasRW 1y ago
        Yes, their testimony under oath.
        JohnBooty 1y ago
        It's impossible to reach conclusions about the motion of the object solely by looking at the FLIR footage. But that's irrelevant if you understand anything about the logistics here. There are really only two possibilities here: either the object really was moving as claimed, or multiple retired military aviators are lying in unison. As described by the aviators who've described things publicly (Fravor, Dietrich, Underwood, Slaight, Underwood), these encounters cannot possibly involve a gross misunderstanding about the motion of the object. The UAP was initially spotted by the Princeton on radar. The fighters were initially 60 miles away from the object(s) and were directed on an intercept course by the Princeton, at which point they observed it via some combination of visual observation and/or FLIR. At this point we're talking about a minimum of four aviators (pilot+WSO aboard each fighter) and the radar operators on the Princeton and likely other ships as well. A second flight of at least one (but perhaps more likely two) F/A-18 were dispatched to later confirm. Brings the total to 6-8 aviators. If the radar operators on the Princeton didn't have a precise understanding of the object's speed, location, and heading they would not have been able to direct the pilots to intercept the objects. If the aviators had a gross misunderstanding of the UAP's motion they would have been out of visual and FLIR range found themselves quickly, so even an initial gross misunderstanding would have become quickly apparent.
        trenchpilgrim 1y ago
        > Fighters don't fly alone The Alert Five aircraft does (the aircraft they scramble to intercept). It does get followed up by another aircraft a few minutes later, though. > the F/A-18 is a two-seat aircraft so (if they are being truthful) that's a minimum of four pilots It's has one or two seat versions. The second seat is not a pilot seat. > In fact, I think radar is what allows the IR camera to follow the object's motion? The camera can do it's own contrast based tracking or be slewed to follow another sensor such as radar, navigation data, or datalink from another aircraft.
      - DeathMetalHippy 1y ago
        Mick West covers this issue. It was a illusion, as the stationary object appears to zoom past the confused pilot. In any case this is not a hellfire missle analysis.
        lucasRW 1y ago
        If several fighter jet pilots, plus several radar operators on the ship, are all confused the same way looking at the same events, that's rather frightening.
    - DeathMetalHippy 1y ago
      Its an analysis of a different incident. Has no relevance to the hellfire missle incident.
- DeathMetalHippy 1y ago
  That was NOT an analysis of this hellfire missle hitting a UAP.
  - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
    Yea, the person above asked for a debunk of the older "tictac" video. Mick has a new video up on this Hellfire video, though.
DeathMetalHippy 1y ago
debunked several times. The tic tac was four pilots with an illusion, chasing a paper bag or bird. Stationairy object. Its gimbal rotation. The camera is moving, the object is moving very slowly, the jet is moving very fast. Its a camera rotation test footage. The puerto rico is two lanters from a wedding down the beach. Again the camera is moving jet speed fast while the objects are moving wind speed. Brazil was just a drunk kid in the alley wit his body all twisted, there was never an alien
- lucasRW 1y ago
  Lol yeah, the radar operators scrambled several fighter jets because they observed a paper bag floating, paper bags that went up and down 10,000 feets within seconds, and paper bags that the fighter jets couldn't follow to the end since the wind lift them up so quick. And then (tic-tac), paper bag that went in and out of water without loss of speed or splash. Thanks Sherlock.

If you have debunked the tic-tac footage or the Agaduilla one I am all ears.

trenchpilgrim 1y ago

Mick West made a convincing analysis several years ago: https://youtu.be/qsEjV8DdSbs https://youtu.be/qsEjV8DdSbs

lucasRW 1y ago
Interesting video and anlysis to learn how a gimbal camera tracks and records objects, but that doesn't really address any of the points as to what those objects (since there were several, observed first by radar operators before fighter jets were dispatched) may have been.
- trenchpilgrim 1y ago
  From the video and analysis, we can see the footage is consistent with a man-made aircraft such as an airplane or drone. So these seem likeliest. Unfortunately we don't have any public radar data to evaluate - only hearsay which is very often unreliable.
  - lucasRW 1y ago
    No, YOU can see that, but many cannot, including the radar operators in the first place, who scrambled fighter jets after they had already observed those objected doing crazy manoeuvres, like dropping 10,000 feet in 2 seconds and vice-versa.
    - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
      Do you have a reliable source for this claim? I don't believe claims from pilots without corresponding evidence because I know a bunch of civilian and military pilots and many fall victim to the same logical fallacies, hearsay and poor memory that regular people do. Show me the data.
      - lucasRW 1y ago
        Yes, their testimony under oath.
      - JohnBooty 1y ago
        It's impossible to reach conclusions about the motion of the object solely by looking at the FLIR footage. But that's irrelevant if you understand anything about the logistics here. There are really only two possibilities here: either the object really was moving as claimed, or multiple retired military aviators are lying in unison. As described by the aviators who've described things publicly (Fravor, Dietrich, Underwood, Slaight, Underwood), these encounters cannot possibly involve a gross misunderstanding about the motion of the object. The UAP was initially spotted by the Princeton on radar. The fighters were initially 60 miles away from the object(s) and were directed on an intercept course by the Princeton, at which point they observed it via some combination of visual observation and/or FLIR. At this point we're talking about a minimum of four aviators (pilot+WSO aboard each fighter) and the radar operators on the Princeton and likely other ships as well. A second flight of at least one (but perhaps more likely two) F/A-18 were dispatched to later confirm. Brings the total to 6-8 aviators. If the radar operators on the Princeton didn't have a precise understanding of the object's speed, location, and heading they would not have been able to direct the pilots to intercept the objects. If the aviators had a gross misunderstanding of the UAP's motion they would have been out of visual and FLIR range found themselves quickly, so even an initial gross misunderstanding would have become quickly apparent.
        trenchpilgrim 1y ago
        > Fighters don't fly alone The Alert Five aircraft does (the aircraft they scramble to intercept). It does get followed up by another aircraft a few minutes later, though. > the F/A-18 is a two-seat aircraft so (if they are being truthful) that's a minimum of four pilots It's has one or two seat versions. The second seat is not a pilot seat. > In fact, I think radar is what allows the IR camera to follow the object's motion? The camera can do it's own contrast based tracking or be slewed to follow another sensor such as radar, navigation data, or datalink from another aircraft.
    - DeathMetalHippy 1y ago
      Mick West covers this issue. It was a illusion, as the stationary object appears to zoom past the confused pilot. In any case this is not a hellfire missle analysis.
      - lucasRW 1y ago
        If several fighter jet pilots, plus several radar operators on the ship, are all confused the same way looking at the same events, that's rather frightening.
  - DeathMetalHippy 1y ago
    Its an analysis of a different incident. Has no relevance to the hellfire missle incident.
DeathMetalHippy 1y ago
That was NOT an analysis of this hellfire missle hitting a UAP.
- trenchpilgrim 1y ago
  Yea, the person above asked for a debunk of the older "tictac" video. Mick has a new video up on this Hellfire video, though.

DeathMetalHippy 1y ago

debunked several times. The tic tac was four pilots with an illusion, chasing a paper bag or bird. Stationairy object. Its gimbal rotation. The camera is moving, the object is moving very slowly, the jet is moving very fast. Its a camera rotation test footage. The puerto rico is two lanters from a wedding down the beach. Again the camera is moving jet speed fast while the objects are moving wind speed. Brazil was just a drunk kid in the alley wit his body all twisted, there was never an alien

lucasRW 1y ago
Lol yeah, the radar operators scrambled several fighter jets because they observed a paper bag floating, paper bags that went up and down 10,000 feets within seconds, and paper bags that the fighter jets couldn't follow to the end since the wind lift them up so quick. And then (tic-tac), paper bag that went in and out of water without loss of speed or splash. Thanks Sherlock.