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Wow, I see these dilapidated RVs all the time. I had no idea people were renting them out like apartments or hotel rooms. I am against letting people live in R

Wow, I see these dilapidated RVs all the time. I had no idea people were renting them out like apartments or hotel rooms. I am against letting people live in RVs parked on city streets whether they own them or not. But the solution here isn't just making it illegal. The solution is making it legal to build actual housing.

rus20376 1y ago
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- kelnos 1y ago
  Maybe instead of shitting on people you don't know, have a little empathy and compassion, and acknowledge that just because you don't know the reason someone might do something, it doesn't mean there's no reason, or the reason is a bad one. Oh, and Fresno and Modesto are not "in that area", not by any stretch of the imagination. But some people who would love to live in the bay area, and have jobs in the bay area, do live out in Fresno and Modesto because that's all they can afford. When people have to drive 3 hours each way during rush hour to get to their job because there isn't enough housing available closer to work, that's a dysfunctional society.
- khuey 1y ago
  Fresno is a 3 hour drive from Palo Alto. Acting like a home in Fresno is a substitute for one in Palo Alto is absurd.
  - rus20376 1y ago
    Living in a permanent structure where you can afford isn't as good as living in a gross RV on a street someplace and fruitlessly demanding the government build you a house?
    - modeless 1y ago
      I'm not calling for the government to build houses. I'm calling for the government to stop making it illegal for people to build significant new housing on the land they supposedly own.
    - winkeltripel 1y ago
      > demanding the government build you a house You're the only one saying that. Be honest in your posts. Everyone else is saying that Palo alto doesn't permit nearly enough housing to be built. I can't build an ADU because my city won't permit structures within 7.5m of my rear property line. I have the skills and the cash and the need, but not the permission. It's an economic drag, making housing scarce. All the businesses that need service workers have a much harder time operating in a housing desert like palo alto. More of them will close, and not be replaced. The surviving restaurants will be so busy and understaffed that it's less pleasant to visit than the better restaurants in Fresno. Same for all the other services, like a hotel, or a mechanic, grocery store, pharmacy, parcel delivery. It's also difficult for the b2b suppliers to survive. Suddenly your mechanic has to order parts from farther afield, and your car takes an extra day to fix.
- jonnybgood 1y ago
  I wouldn't place Palo Alto in the same area as Fresno and Modesto. If you work in Palo Alto you'll be doing a more than 2 hour commute.
- modeless 1y ago
  I grew up in the Modesto area. I know people who commute from that area to SF for work. I can absolutely understand why people would prefer to live in an RV rather than subject themselves to that. My current commute, which is the worst I've ever had, is trivial by comparison, and yet already soul-sucking.
- ecshafer 1y ago
  How many of the peoople renting those are service workers working in palo alto? If you work as a waiter in palo alto, you are never going to be able to buy a house thats not hours and hours away. These people are taking their perceived best option, but the government needs to get more housing constructed.
Simulacra 1y ago
Strangely reminds me a little bit of people who get Uber driver accounts, and then sell them. There was a woman who was arrested because she ran a network of basically 150 or so rideshare drivers who bought the account.

rus20376 1y ago

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kelnos 1y ago
Maybe instead of shitting on people you don't know, have a little empathy and compassion, and acknowledge that just because you don't know the reason someone might do something, it doesn't mean there's no reason, or the reason is a bad one. Oh, and Fresno and Modesto are not "in that area", not by any stretch of the imagination. But some people who would love to live in the bay area, and have jobs in the bay area, do live out in Fresno and Modesto because that's all they can afford. When people have to drive 3 hours each way during rush hour to get to their job because there isn't enough housing available closer to work, that's a dysfunctional society.
khuey 1y ago
Fresno is a 3 hour drive from Palo Alto. Acting like a home in Fresno is a substitute for one in Palo Alto is absurd.
- rus20376 1y ago
  Living in a permanent structure where you can afford isn't as good as living in a gross RV on a street someplace and fruitlessly demanding the government build you a house?
  - modeless 1y ago
    I'm not calling for the government to build houses. I'm calling for the government to stop making it illegal for people to build significant new housing on the land they supposedly own.
  - winkeltripel 1y ago
    > demanding the government build you a house You're the only one saying that. Be honest in your posts. Everyone else is saying that Palo alto doesn't permit nearly enough housing to be built. I can't build an ADU because my city won't permit structures within 7.5m of my rear property line. I have the skills and the cash and the need, but not the permission. It's an economic drag, making housing scarce. All the businesses that need service workers have a much harder time operating in a housing desert like palo alto. More of them will close, and not be replaced. The surviving restaurants will be so busy and understaffed that it's less pleasant to visit than the better restaurants in Fresno. Same for all the other services, like a hotel, or a mechanic, grocery store, pharmacy, parcel delivery. It's also difficult for the b2b suppliers to survive. Suddenly your mechanic has to order parts from farther afield, and your car takes an extra day to fix.
jonnybgood 1y ago
I wouldn't place Palo Alto in the same area as Fresno and Modesto. If you work in Palo Alto you'll be doing a more than 2 hour commute.
modeless 1y ago
I grew up in the Modesto area. I know people who commute from that area to SF for work. I can absolutely understand why people would prefer to live in an RV rather than subject themselves to that. My current commute, which is the worst I've ever had, is trivial by comparison, and yet already soul-sucking.
ecshafer 1y ago
How many of the peoople renting those are service workers working in palo alto? If you work as a waiter in palo alto, you are never going to be able to buy a house thats not hours and hours away. These people are taking their perceived best option, but the government needs to get more housing constructed.

Simulacra 1y ago

Strangely reminds me a little bit of people who get Uber driver accounts, and then sell them. There was a woman who was arrested because she ran a network of basically 150 or so rideshare drivers who bought the account.