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You can’t help the way you look but you can choose whether or not to go out of your way to deliberately draw attention to it.

mikestorrent 1y ago
It's up to you to decide if someone setting the colour of a couple of pixels on the screen is "deliberately drawing attention" to it vs. just a cute customization that makes people feel included. Probably instead of picking a few tones we should just let people go full RGB on masked colours in the emoji so we can have green people too.
- nomdep 1y ago
  Adding a skin color, let's say a thumbs-up with a black skin tone, its saying: "this is not just a thumbs-up, its different, it's a BLACK thumbs-up". See how racist it is?
  - Devorlon 1y ago
    Personally, no I don't see it.
    - nomdep 1y ago
      Without knowing anything about the particular person, in what ways a black thumbs-up is different than a non-skinned thumbs-up? Adding a skin-tone is saying there ARE differences, but any difference you can name are actually prejudices about blacks. What was meant to be a simple "ok", "agree", etc. now is charged with an "I don't think you/others and me are the same kind of humans". That's why using skin-tones in emojis is actually racist.
- numpad0 1y ago
  It's racial caricaturization to emphasize and perpetuate racial divisions. Exact same as things like "Chinese eyes". It's not like rainbow flags at all, and almost absurd that this is considered dignified representations than straight up racism.
  - account42 1y ago
    > It's not like rainbow flags at all It actually is. Sexual preferences also have no place in professional communication or really any non-intimate communication.
    - AlexeyBelov 1y ago
      Heterosexual people can use rainbow flags...
  - mikestorrent 1y ago
    Only "Extremely Online" people think like this; you should consider going outside and touching some grass.
zahlman 1y ago
> to deliberately draw attention to it. To specific aspects of it, even.
sedatk 1y ago
Imagine if professional work setting had initially started by employing a dress code with a full body yellow suit and a yellow mask that hides your gender and skin color to “avoid discrimination” and whatnot. It was universal. Then, imagine that after a while, that rule was found too restricting and people were allowed to wear their own clothes and do away with masks. When people chose that, would that be considered drawing attention to their skimcolor or gender, or using their right as existing as the person that they are?
- philwelch 1y ago
  > When people chose that, would that be considered drawing attention to their skimcolor or gender Absolutely. But let me posit a scenario that’s actually realistic. Suppose you’re running an orchestra. People are concerned about discrimination so you implement a blind audition policy where the auditioning musician can’t actually be seen by the people evaluating their performance. Afterwards, it turns out your orchestra is still predominantly made up of white and East Asian musicians so you decide to make the blind audition optional and make a bunch of tedious statements about how the orchestra isn’t diverse enough and you want more underrepresented minorities. What’s going to happen then is that the underrepresented minorities are going to do non-blind auditions because you’ve all but promised them you’d give them preference while the white and Asian musicians will continue doing blind auditions.
  - sedatk 1y ago
    Your scenario is about hiring practices. What I'm talking about is a workplace setting; it means everyone is already hired, everyone already knows each other's skin color. Even if there are people who might want to take advantage of privileges based on their skin color, it wouldn't matter at the time. Even if it mattered, emoji wouldn't make a difference. I see no difference between using emojis with skin color and showing up to work without a head mask and a full body suit. Neither signals an agenda. It's just how we exist in society. If someone feels that seeing a skin colored emoji as an imposition, and is forced to make a decision that they wouldn't otherwise do because of that emojji's color, they shouldn't be doing that job.

mikestorrent 1y ago

It's up to you to decide if someone setting the colour of a couple of pixels on the screen is "deliberately drawing attention" to it vs. just a cute customization that makes people feel included. Probably instead of picking a few tones we should just let people go full RGB on masked colours in the emoji so we can have green people too.

nomdep 1y ago
Adding a skin color, let's say a thumbs-up with a black skin tone, its saying: "this is not just a thumbs-up, its different, it's a BLACK thumbs-up". See how racist it is?
- Devorlon 1y ago
  Personally, no I don't see it.
  - nomdep 1y ago
    Without knowing anything about the particular person, in what ways a black thumbs-up is different than a non-skinned thumbs-up? Adding a skin-tone is saying there ARE differences, but any difference you can name are actually prejudices about blacks. What was meant to be a simple "ok", "agree", etc. now is charged with an "I don't think you/others and me are the same kind of humans". That's why using skin-tones in emojis is actually racist.
numpad0 1y ago
It's racial caricaturization to emphasize and perpetuate racial divisions. Exact same as things like "Chinese eyes". It's not like rainbow flags at all, and almost absurd that this is considered dignified representations than straight up racism.
- account42 1y ago
  > It's not like rainbow flags at all It actually is. Sexual preferences also have no place in professional communication or really any non-intimate communication.
  - AlexeyBelov 1y ago
    Heterosexual people can use rainbow flags...
- mikestorrent 1y ago
  Only "Extremely Online" people think like this; you should consider going outside and touching some grass.

zahlman 1y ago

> to deliberately draw attention to it. To specific aspects of it, even.

sedatk 1y ago

Imagine if professional work setting had initially started by employing a dress code with a full body yellow suit and a yellow mask that hides your gender and skin color to “avoid discrimination” and whatnot. It was universal. Then, imagine that after a while, that rule was found too restricting and people were allowed to wear their own clothes and do away with masks. When people chose that, would that be considered drawing attention to their skimcolor or gender, or using their right as existing as the person that they are?

philwelch 1y ago
> When people chose that, would that be considered drawing attention to their skimcolor or gender Absolutely. But let me posit a scenario that’s actually realistic. Suppose you’re running an orchestra. People are concerned about discrimination so you implement a blind audition policy where the auditioning musician can’t actually be seen by the people evaluating their performance. Afterwards, it turns out your orchestra is still predominantly made up of white and East Asian musicians so you decide to make the blind audition optional and make a bunch of tedious statements about how the orchestra isn’t diverse enough and you want more underrepresented minorities. What’s going to happen then is that the underrepresented minorities are going to do non-blind auditions because you’ve all but promised them you’d give them preference while the white and Asian musicians will continue doing blind auditions.
- sedatk 1y ago
  Your scenario is about hiring practices. What I'm talking about is a workplace setting; it means everyone is already hired, everyone already knows each other's skin color. Even if there are people who might want to take advantage of privileges based on their skin color, it wouldn't matter at the time. Even if it mattered, emoji wouldn't make a difference. I see no difference between using emojis with skin color and showing up to work without a head mask and a full body suit. Neither signals an agenda. It's just how we exist in society. If someone feels that seeing a skin colored emoji as an imposition, and is forced to make a decision that they wouldn't otherwise do because of that emojji's color, they shouldn't be doing that job.