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> However,the United States, particularly in the last 50 years, seems to have fostered a culture averse to education. !! The rate of college graduates has inc

> However,the United States, particularly in the last 50 years, seems to have fostered a culture averse to education. !! The rate of college graduates has increased nearby 50% over that timeframe. A rather unexpected result for a cultural aversion to education.

bigcat12345678 1y ago
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Mountain_Skies 1y ago
Do you believe the average degree awarded today requires as much rigor as the average degree awarded half a century ago?
- anonzzzies 1y ago
  Not sure in the US but where I am from thats very much the case; they went to the paid per graduated student vs just student and students having loans vs state money (to study forever) and it turned the focus on churning out graduates from providing academic rigor. I saw the shift sharply studying and then teaching from late 90s to early 00s and as I see my nephews doing cs degrees now: it's really easy I would say, not the rigorous (not very practical outside academics) learnings I started with. Not sure if its good or bad, just an observation. We already had technical schools for exactly this purpose, but I guess the unis were running steep losses for the gov while not enough prominent research and related companies came out of them.
  - consp 1y ago
    Academia is now vocational training but done badly. You get the pretend of academia and a very expensive loan as a bonus.
- paulddraper 1y ago
  No, and the article would -- if anything -- suggest the opposite. My point is "culture averse to education" seems a strange assertion.
aprilthird2021 1y ago
If you read his whole comment it was about how education is "just a piece of paper you need to get a job". That mentality could totally lead to worse proficiency and more degrees awarded.
- consp 1y ago
  If you punish teachers solely on passing percentage you get the same result. It might be the teacher is bad but if you teach a difficult course it might be the students.
9rx 1y ago
Wouldn't that be the expected result? The culture shifted precisely because colleges started promoting the idea that education outside of college doesn't count. Which, in the culture, has lead to rejecting any other source of education — and why you will hear strange things like high school graduates being called "uneducated".
lurking_swe 1y ago
most students are going to college because many jobs require it, or because they were “pushed” into it by teachers or parents. Not because they value education in the slightest. I went to a state school and was one of the “weirdos” that didn’t party or join a fraternity. IMO some of us are there to learn and socialize on the side. Others are there to socialize and learn on the side.
- paulddraper 1y ago
  > or because they were “pushed” into it by That's literally the definition of cultural influence

bigcat12345678 1y ago

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Mountain_Skies 1y ago

Do you believe the average degree awarded today requires as much rigor as the average degree awarded half a century ago?

anonzzzies 1y ago
Not sure in the US but where I am from thats very much the case; they went to the paid per graduated student vs just student and students having loans vs state money (to study forever) and it turned the focus on churning out graduates from providing academic rigor. I saw the shift sharply studying and then teaching from late 90s to early 00s and as I see my nephews doing cs degrees now: it's really easy I would say, not the rigorous (not very practical outside academics) learnings I started with. Not sure if its good or bad, just an observation. We already had technical schools for exactly this purpose, but I guess the unis were running steep losses for the gov while not enough prominent research and related companies came out of them.
- consp 1y ago
  Academia is now vocational training but done badly. You get the pretend of academia and a very expensive loan as a bonus.
paulddraper 1y ago
No, and the article would -- if anything -- suggest the opposite. My point is "culture averse to education" seems a strange assertion.

aprilthird2021 1y ago

If you read his whole comment it was about how education is "just a piece of paper you need to get a job". That mentality could totally lead to worse proficiency and more degrees awarded.

consp 1y ago
If you punish teachers solely on passing percentage you get the same result. It might be the teacher is bad but if you teach a difficult course it might be the students.

9rx 1y ago

Wouldn't that be the expected result? The culture shifted precisely because colleges started promoting the idea that education outside of college doesn't count. Which, in the culture, has lead to rejecting any other source of education — and why you will hear strange things like high school graduates being called "uneducated".

lurking_swe 1y ago

most students are going to college because many jobs require it, or because they were “pushed” into it by teachers or parents. Not because they value education in the slightest. I went to a state school and was one of the “weirdos” that didn’t party or join a fraternity. IMO some of us are there to learn and socialize on the side. Others are there to socialize and learn on the side.

paulddraper 1y ago
> or because they were “pushed” into it by That's literally the definition of cultural influence