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But you can put the people that made the decision or are responsible for it in jail (or prison).

by echoangle 1y ago

Draiken 1y ago
Isn't this wishful thinking? This basically never happens. Theory vs reality is very real.
- zzzeek 1y ago
  Huh ? Ask Sam Bankman-Fried, ask Enron, people go to jail for corporate crime all the time, are you meaning just for copyright infringement?
  - tomrod 1y ago
    Relative the amount of corporate malfeasance that occurs? Hardly anyone.
  - digdugdirk 1y ago
    Please, name 5 more "big name" examples.
    - OJFord 1y ago
      Can you name 7 people that went to prison for non-corporate crimes that easily too?
      - deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
      - immibis 1y ago
        John Doe McDrugUser 1 John Doe McDrugUser 2 John Doe McDrugUser 3 John Doe McDrugUser 4 John Doe McDrugUser 5 John Doe McDrugUser 6 John Doe McDrugUser 7
        OJFord 1y ago
        I am also aware that 7+ people have been imprisoned for drug-related offences, but it appears neither of us can name any of them off the top of our heads.
        pessimizer 1y ago
        This is an LLM-level misunderstanding of the answer you were given. This may be astonishing, but I've known at least seven people personally who have seen the inside of a cell for drug possession, use, or sales. The fact that I'm not going to list their names here is not evidence that I cannot name them. You should google "actor arrested for drugs." I think you may find the seven names you need. Or 700.
    - YetAnotherNick 1y ago
      Asked AI: - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX): Sentenced to 25 years in prison in 2024 for orchestrating a massive fraud involving the misappropriation of billions in customer funds. - Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos): Began an 11-year prison sentence in 2023 after being convicted of defrauding investors with false claims about her blood-testing technology. - Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani (Theranos): The former president of Theranos was sentenced to nearly 13 years in prison for his role in the same fraud as Elizabeth Holmes. - Trevor Milton (Nikola Corporation): Convicted of securities and wire fraud, he was sentenced to four years in prison in 2023. - Ippei Mizuhara: The former translator for MLB star Shohei Ohtani was charged in April 2024 with bank fraud for illegally transferring millions from the athlete's account. - Sergei Potapenko and Ivan Turogin: Convicted in February 2025 for a $577 million cryptocurrency fraud scheme. - Bernard Madoff: Sentenced to 150 years in prison in 2009 for running the largest Ponzi scheme in history. He died in prison in 2021. - Jeffrey Skilling (Enron): The former CEO of Enron was sentenced to 24 years in prison in 2006 for fraud and conspiracy. His sentence was later reduced, and he was released in 2019. - Dennis Kozlowski (Tyco International): The former CEO served over six years in prison after being convicted in 2005 for looting millions from the company. - Bernard "Bernie" Ebbers (WorldCom): Sentenced to 25 years in prison for orchestrating an $11 billion accounting fraud. He was granted early release in 2019 and died shortly after. Apart from this list I know Nissan's ex CEO was put into solitary confinement for months.
      - nobody9999 1y ago
        Who went to prison from Union Carbide for the Bhopal disaster[0]? Who went to prison from Exxon for the Valdez oil spill[1], or from BP for the Deep Water Horizon[2] debacle? Who went to prison from Norfolk-Southern for the East Palestine train derailment[3]? Who went to prison from Boeing for the 737Max debacle[4]? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine%2C_Ohio%2C_train_derailment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine%2C_Ohio%2C_trai... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings
  - nerdsniper 1y ago
    The examples you mention are all of someone stealing from the rich. But otherwise, even the most blatant obstruction of justice goes unanswered. “Greyball”: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/technology/uber-greyball-program-evade-authorities.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/technology/uber-greyball-... My uncle went to jail for picking up someone in an airport in his taxi. He didnt have the airport permit (could only drop off, not pick up). Travis Kalanick industrialized that crime on a grand scale and got billions of dollars instead of jail.
    - omnimus 1y ago
      Aaron Swartz downloaded big part of JSTOR to make a statistical model for some research, was charged with hacking felony and committed suicide because of it. Sam Altman downloaded all of JSTOR and then rest of the internet to make a statistical model to make a commercial product. He is praised for it. The lesson is clear. Don't make things that don't make money to the already rich.
  - toss1 1y ago
    Just for copyright infringement? You might like to have a word with Aaron Swartz, except he ended his life as he was being Federally prosecuted for copyright infringement, copying scientific articles. Remarkably similar, bulk copying of data for other use, except Swartz wanted to make it free vs Anthropic, who wants to make it available via it's "AI" repackaging. One is Federally prosecuted with possibility of decades of jail time and million-dollar fines, the other is a mere civil action.
    - beadmomsw 1y ago
      Thanks!
- mihaic 1y ago
  Weather the population thinks that's wishful thinking or not, it's generally right.
- nektro 1y ago
  what kind of thinking is this? even if it was actually never, today's a good day as any to start
  - Draiken 1y ago
    Never said it's a bad idea. Just that it's not what actually happens or realistically what will ever happen.
mapt 1y ago
But we almost never do. Have you seen the legal code? Every large corporation commits criminal acts many times a day. Even crimes so serious or offensive that they become politically relevant are almost always dealt with in a totally hands-off manner. To actually get convicted of anything as a corporate officer, you have to have substantially defrauded your own shareholders, who are senior to the public's interest in justice. Most such crimes involve financial malfeasance.

But you can put the people that made the decision or are responsible for it in jail (or prison).

Draiken 1y ago

Isn't this wishful thinking? This basically never happens. Theory vs reality is very real.

zzzeek 1y ago
Huh ? Ask Sam Bankman-Fried, ask Enron, people go to jail for corporate crime all the time, are you meaning just for copyright infringement?
- tomrod 1y ago
  Relative the amount of corporate malfeasance that occurs? Hardly anyone.
- digdugdirk 1y ago
  Please, name 5 more "big name" examples.
  - OJFord 1y ago
    Can you name 7 people that went to prison for non-corporate crimes that easily too?
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - immibis 1y ago
      John Doe McDrugUser 1 John Doe McDrugUser 2 John Doe McDrugUser 3 John Doe McDrugUser 4 John Doe McDrugUser 5 John Doe McDrugUser 6 John Doe McDrugUser 7
      - OJFord 1y ago
        I am also aware that 7+ people have been imprisoned for drug-related offences, but it appears neither of us can name any of them off the top of our heads.
        pessimizer 1y ago
        This is an LLM-level misunderstanding of the answer you were given. This may be astonishing, but I've known at least seven people personally who have seen the inside of a cell for drug possession, use, or sales. The fact that I'm not going to list their names here is not evidence that I cannot name them. You should google "actor arrested for drugs." I think you may find the seven names you need. Or 700.
  - YetAnotherNick 1y ago
    Asked AI: - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX): Sentenced to 25 years in prison in 2024 for orchestrating a massive fraud involving the misappropriation of billions in customer funds. - Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos): Began an 11-year prison sentence in 2023 after being convicted of defrauding investors with false claims about her blood-testing technology. - Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani (Theranos): The former president of Theranos was sentenced to nearly 13 years in prison for his role in the same fraud as Elizabeth Holmes. - Trevor Milton (Nikola Corporation): Convicted of securities and wire fraud, he was sentenced to four years in prison in 2023. - Ippei Mizuhara: The former translator for MLB star Shohei Ohtani was charged in April 2024 with bank fraud for illegally transferring millions from the athlete's account. - Sergei Potapenko and Ivan Turogin: Convicted in February 2025 for a $577 million cryptocurrency fraud scheme. - Bernard Madoff: Sentenced to 150 years in prison in 2009 for running the largest Ponzi scheme in history. He died in prison in 2021. - Jeffrey Skilling (Enron): The former CEO of Enron was sentenced to 24 years in prison in 2006 for fraud and conspiracy. His sentence was later reduced, and he was released in 2019. - Dennis Kozlowski (Tyco International): The former CEO served over six years in prison after being convicted in 2005 for looting millions from the company. - Bernard "Bernie" Ebbers (WorldCom): Sentenced to 25 years in prison for orchestrating an $11 billion accounting fraud. He was granted early release in 2019 and died shortly after. Apart from this list I know Nissan's ex CEO was put into solitary confinement for months.
    - nobody9999 1y ago
      Who went to prison from Union Carbide for the Bhopal disaster[0]? Who went to prison from Exxon for the Valdez oil spill[1], or from BP for the Deep Water Horizon[2] debacle? Who went to prison from Norfolk-Southern for the East Palestine train derailment[3]? Who went to prison from Boeing for the 737Max debacle[4]? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine%2C_Ohio%2C_train_derailment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine%2C_Ohio%2C_trai... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings
- nerdsniper 1y ago
  The examples you mention are all of someone stealing from the rich. But otherwise, even the most blatant obstruction of justice goes unanswered. “Greyball”: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/technology/uber-greyball-program-evade-authorities.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/technology/uber-greyball-... My uncle went to jail for picking up someone in an airport in his taxi. He didnt have the airport permit (could only drop off, not pick up). Travis Kalanick industrialized that crime on a grand scale and got billions of dollars instead of jail.
  - omnimus 1y ago
    Aaron Swartz downloaded big part of JSTOR to make a statistical model for some research, was charged with hacking felony and committed suicide because of it. Sam Altman downloaded all of JSTOR and then rest of the internet to make a statistical model to make a commercial product. He is praised for it. The lesson is clear. Don't make things that don't make money to the already rich.
- toss1 1y ago
  Just for copyright infringement? You might like to have a word with Aaron Swartz, except he ended his life as he was being Federally prosecuted for copyright infringement, copying scientific articles. Remarkably similar, bulk copying of data for other use, except Swartz wanted to make it free vs Anthropic, who wants to make it available via it's "AI" repackaging. One is Federally prosecuted with possibility of decades of jail time and million-dollar fines, the other is a mere civil action.
  - beadmomsw 1y ago
    Thanks!
mihaic 1y ago
Weather the population thinks that's wishful thinking or not, it's generally right.
nektro 1y ago
what kind of thinking is this? even if it was actually never, today's a good day as any to start
- Draiken 1y ago
  Never said it's a bad idea. Just that it's not what actually happens or realistically what will ever happen.

mapt 1y ago

But we almost never do. Have you seen the legal code? Every large corporation commits criminal acts many times a day. Even crimes so serious or offensive that they become politically relevant are almost always dealt with in a totally hands-off manner. To actually get convicted of anything as a corporate officer, you have to have substantially defrauded your own shareholders, who are senior to the public's interest in justice. Most such crimes involve financial malfeasance.