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Maybe. I've definitely seen that anecdotally in some cases. But the school system is also problematic for the families that do value education and the kids th

Maybe. I've definitely seen that anecdotally in some cases. But the school system is also problematic for the families that do value education and the kids that could excel in the classroom. Our district has eliminated programs for the kids at the top end in the name of equity. They've also eliminated separate spaces for kids with learning and behavioral issues for the same reason. So everyone is in the same classroom and most of the teacher's time is spent on a handful of kids causing trouble and the rest of the class learns nothing. We can't afford private school, so we're doing a bunch of extra lessons at home to keep them on pace, engaged, and challenged. But really, there are only so many hours in the day and I want them to be outside playing too!

ghostpepper 1y ago
do you live in Canada or is this happening elsewhere?
- braincat31415 1y ago
  Chicago for example. Look up recent action on magnet schools.
- itake 1y ago
  > Seattle Public Schools cancels gifted program 'cohorts' for equity reasons https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/sps-highly-capable-cohort-program https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/sps-highly-capable-cohort-...
  - mystraline 1y ago
    Then I think its time for an IEP to be formed for each of those students, for "special education". Sure, "special education" has traditionally meant slow, retarded, nonverbal, etc. We all know that euphemism. "Short bus". It always represents basically warehousing the bottom 10% of public education students where they cant affect the majority. But 'gifted students' also require special education. Its not normal, for reasons of academic rigor. And they are way past the curriculum of the middle 67% of the distribution. So, the answer is to demand an IEP. It is also a legal document, which outlines scholastic rights to the student, and holds these districts strongly accountable. And, at least for now, gets more federal funding to 'special education'.
    - itake 1y ago
      In general, I agree. Just playing devils advocate: society problems dont come from the smart kid that wasn’t challenged enough in school. They come from the kids that never had their behavior issues addressed. Those kids will always cost society way more than the smart kid that didn’t reach their full potential at Harvard and ended up at UCF.
    - sct202 1y ago
      IEPs and other accommodations are becoming more common with high achievers like with ADHD, anxiety, or depression. On the LSAT test takers with accommodations for extended testing time score 5 points higher on average than the overall pool of test takers, and ADHD is the most common request reason. https://www.lsac.org/sites/default/files/research/TR-24-01.pdf https://www.lsac.org/sites/default/files/research/TR-24-01.p... (page 4)
ecshafer 1y ago
At a certain level “homeschool” is going to be more effective. Ive seen parents get together with 3-6 similar aged students, and then do a combination of hiring a teacher/tutor for them and splitting duting to making it tenable.
- sdsd 1y ago
  This is an empirical claim and there's statistics already available. Almost every study of student performance dramatically favors homeschool over American public school. I'm not saying this in support of homeschool, but as an indictment of public school. It's wild that schools spend many millions of dollars on hundreds of professionals, materials, and centuries of institutional knowledge, and yet are trivially outcompeted by just a mom who puts in the hours with a curriculum from the internet.
  - moduspol 1y ago
    To be fair: that mom gets to pick and choose which kids to teach. She probably wouldn’t get the same result if she had to apply the same techniques to inner-city Detroit kids six hours a day and five days a week.
    - sdsd 1y ago
      >She probably wouldn’t get the same result if she had to apply the same techniques to inner-city Detroit kids six hours a day and five days a week. I think you're thinking of it backwards. Inner city Detroit kids probably struggle in school precisely because there maybe isn't a mom at home who's passionate and available to educate them (among plenty of other reasons, to be sure). Inner city Detroit kids (not gonna lie, feels like a euphemism) aren't just inherently hard to teach for no reason
      - moduspol 1y ago
        Obviously that's the case, which is why it's not fair to claim homeschooling parents "trivially outcompete" the public school system. That was my point. > (not gonna lie, feels like a euphemism) Are we still doing not-so-subtle claims of "I think you're a racist?" Pick any demographic group that gets overwhelmingly bad results and depends on the public school system. Look at the statistics. We aren't going to fix problems we can't acknowledge. Urban public school districts are among the most impacted by bad public schools.
programjames 1y ago
Are your kids old enough to run amok at home instead of going to school? Would the police arrest you if you left them home alone instead of sending them to school?
bombcar 1y ago
Check the private schools a few more times - some offer quite competitive financial aid packages that even people who feel they’re “high wage” can take advantage of.

ghostpepper 1y ago

do you live in Canada or is this happening elsewhere?

braincat31415 1y ago
Chicago for example. Look up recent action on magnet schools.
itake 1y ago
> Seattle Public Schools cancels gifted program 'cohorts' for equity reasons https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/sps-highly-capable-cohort-program https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/sps-highly-capable-cohort-...
- mystraline 1y ago
  Then I think its time for an IEP to be formed for each of those students, for "special education". Sure, "special education" has traditionally meant slow, retarded, nonverbal, etc. We all know that euphemism. "Short bus". It always represents basically warehousing the bottom 10% of public education students where they cant affect the majority. But 'gifted students' also require special education. Its not normal, for reasons of academic rigor. And they are way past the curriculum of the middle 67% of the distribution. So, the answer is to demand an IEP. It is also a legal document, which outlines scholastic rights to the student, and holds these districts strongly accountable. And, at least for now, gets more federal funding to 'special education'.
  - itake 1y ago
    In general, I agree. Just playing devils advocate: society problems dont come from the smart kid that wasn’t challenged enough in school. They come from the kids that never had their behavior issues addressed. Those kids will always cost society way more than the smart kid that didn’t reach their full potential at Harvard and ended up at UCF.
  - sct202 1y ago
    IEPs and other accommodations are becoming more common with high achievers like with ADHD, anxiety, or depression. On the LSAT test takers with accommodations for extended testing time score 5 points higher on average than the overall pool of test takers, and ADHD is the most common request reason. https://www.lsac.org/sites/default/files/research/TR-24-01.pdf https://www.lsac.org/sites/default/files/research/TR-24-01.p... (page 4)

ecshafer 1y ago

At a certain level “homeschool” is going to be more effective. Ive seen parents get together with 3-6 similar aged students, and then do a combination of hiring a teacher/tutor for them and splitting duting to making it tenable.

sdsd 1y ago
This is an empirical claim and there's statistics already available. Almost every study of student performance dramatically favors homeschool over American public school. I'm not saying this in support of homeschool, but as an indictment of public school. It's wild that schools spend many millions of dollars on hundreds of professionals, materials, and centuries of institutional knowledge, and yet are trivially outcompeted by just a mom who puts in the hours with a curriculum from the internet.
- moduspol 1y ago
  To be fair: that mom gets to pick and choose which kids to teach. She probably wouldn’t get the same result if she had to apply the same techniques to inner-city Detroit kids six hours a day and five days a week.
  - sdsd 1y ago
    >She probably wouldn’t get the same result if she had to apply the same techniques to inner-city Detroit kids six hours a day and five days a week. I think you're thinking of it backwards. Inner city Detroit kids probably struggle in school precisely because there maybe isn't a mom at home who's passionate and available to educate them (among plenty of other reasons, to be sure). Inner city Detroit kids (not gonna lie, feels like a euphemism) aren't just inherently hard to teach for no reason
    - moduspol 1y ago
      Obviously that's the case, which is why it's not fair to claim homeschooling parents "trivially outcompete" the public school system. That was my point. > (not gonna lie, feels like a euphemism) Are we still doing not-so-subtle claims of "I think you're a racist?" Pick any demographic group that gets overwhelmingly bad results and depends on the public school system. Look at the statistics. We aren't going to fix problems we can't acknowledge. Urban public school districts are among the most impacted by bad public schools.

programjames 1y ago

Are your kids old enough to run amok at home instead of going to school? Would the police arrest you if you left them home alone instead of sending them to school?

bombcar 1y ago

Check the private schools a few more times - some offer quite competitive financial aid packages that even people who feel they’re “high wage” can take advantage of.