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Related topic: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/enteromix-russias-cancer-vaccine-achieves-100-efficacy-in-clinical-trial

by rvnx 1y ago

Related topic: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/enteromix-russias-cancer-vaccine-achieves-100-efficacy-in-clinical-trials/articleshow/123749347.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness... Claims today of "100% Efficacy Vaccine"

irjustin 1y ago
Downvoted. The mental leaps to connect the two are very very large. If you distrust western medicine's process then let's discuss, but trying say we collectively shouldn't because "look at Russia!" isn't it.
- varelse 1y ago
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Loughla 1y ago
Maybe this is just my Western sensibilities shining through, but is there reason to trust the reporting coming from Russia? I'm genuinely interested to know if that's just my own bias or if there's something to that.
- gbuk2013 1y ago
  It is mostly your own bias, yes. That said publications about cancer breakthroughs ought to be taken with at least as much salt as those in western mass media. Some information about the Russian drug from the main (I think) oncology research institute in Moscow: https://new.nmicr.ru/en/pacientam/metody-diagnostiki-i-lechenija/vaccinotherapy/?ysclid=mfd6h306m3157265411 https://new.nmicr.ru/en/pacientam/metody-diagnostiki-i-leche... I had a quick search and the news is apparently about results of a stage 1 trial and an earlier news article from February guessed it would take at least 2.5 years for this to become available assuming all trials were successful. I have not found any official announcements about results of the trial, only some somewhat shady (mostly-foreign) news sites reposting each other. According to the registry of clinical trials (https://grls.rosminzdrav.ru https://grls.rosminzdrav.ru) the ЭнтероМикс phase 1 trials run Nov 24 - Oct 26 so I strongly suspect this is scummy clickbait reporting,
yakshaving_jgt 1y ago
The russians have been selling Герпетическая вакцина within russia since the 1990s. Is it approved outside russia? No. Is there any real evidence that it works? No. Is HSV cured in russia? No. Were there systematic reviews or meta-analyses in credible journals to support its effectiveness? No. Is there any reason to believe in claims of medical breakthroughs in russia? No.

by rvnx 1y ago

irjustin 1y ago

Downvoted. The mental leaps to connect the two are very very large. If you distrust western medicine's process then let's discuss, but trying say we collectively shouldn't because "look at Russia!" isn't it.

varelse 1y ago
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Loughla 1y ago

Maybe this is just my Western sensibilities shining through, but is there reason to trust the reporting coming from Russia? I'm genuinely interested to know if that's just my own bias or if there's something to that.

gbuk2013 1y ago
It is mostly your own bias, yes. That said publications about cancer breakthroughs ought to be taken with at least as much salt as those in western mass media. Some information about the Russian drug from the main (I think) oncology research institute in Moscow: https://new.nmicr.ru/en/pacientam/metody-diagnostiki-i-lechenija/vaccinotherapy/?ysclid=mfd6h306m3157265411 https://new.nmicr.ru/en/pacientam/metody-diagnostiki-i-leche... I had a quick search and the news is apparently about results of a stage 1 trial and an earlier news article from February guessed it would take at least 2.5 years for this to become available assuming all trials were successful. I have not found any official announcements about results of the trial, only some somewhat shady (mostly-foreign) news sites reposting each other. According to the registry of clinical trials (https://grls.rosminzdrav.ru https://grls.rosminzdrav.ru) the ЭнтероМикс phase 1 trials run Nov 24 - Oct 26 so I strongly suspect this is scummy clickbait reporting,

yakshaving_jgt 1y ago

The russians have been selling Герпетическая вакцина within russia since the 1990s. Is it approved outside russia? No. Is there any real evidence that it works? No. Is HSV cured in russia? No. Were there systematic reviews or meta-analyses in credible journals to support its effectiveness? No. Is there any reason to believe in claims of medical breakthroughs in russia? No.