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Is your theory that they were handcuffed for violating union rules, or U.S. laws?

by CPLX 1y ago

pavlov 1y ago
It sure seems like the ICE simply handcuffed every foreigner at the site.
nashashmi 1y ago
ICE handcuffed them. And their department is immigration laws. But whatever the reason, it does not hold up on the ICE's side.
- CPLX 1y ago
  I have absolutely zero respect for ICE these days and their ability to be honest about anything. But with that caveat there are straightforward allegations of violations of well established US law here. The comments about breaking nitpicky union rules are intended to distract from that fact.
  - nashashmi 1y ago
    Straightforward? Name the laws.
    - CPLX 1y ago
      9 FAM 402.2-5(E)(1) (U) Commercial or Industrial Workers (CT:VISA-1288; 05-21-2021) a. (U) An applicant coming to the United States to install, service, or repair commercial or industrial equipment or machinery purchased from a company outside the United States or to train U.S. workers to perform such services. However, in such cases, the contract of sale must specifically require the seller to provide such services or training and the visa applicant must possess unique knowledge that is essential to the seller’s contractual obligation to perform the services or training and must receive no remuneration from a U.S. source. b. (U) These provisions do not apply to an applicant seeking to perform building or construction work, whether on-site or in-plant. The exception is for an applicant who is applying for a B-1 visa for supervising or training other workers engaged in building or construction work, but not actually performing any such building or construction work.
      - nashashmi 1y ago
        Those are provisions for visa grants. After the visa is given, was there any law that was broken? No. I agree the terms of the visa explicitly did not allow for applicants to perform construction. And they are accused of doing construction work. This means the State Department would issue visa cancellations and the company would get sanctioned. Instead ICE went ahead and arrested the employees. That is full overreach. Visa cancellation had not been issued.

Is your theory that they were handcuffed for violating union rules, or U.S. laws?

by CPLX 1y ago

Is your theory that they were handcuffed for violating union rules, or U.S. laws?

pavlov 1y ago

It sure seems like the ICE simply handcuffed every foreigner at the site.

nashashmi 1y ago

ICE handcuffed them. And their department is immigration laws. But whatever the reason, it does not hold up on the ICE's side.

CPLX 1y ago
I have absolutely zero respect for ICE these days and their ability to be honest about anything. But with that caveat there are straightforward allegations of violations of well established US law here. The comments about breaking nitpicky union rules are intended to distract from that fact.
- nashashmi 1y ago
  Straightforward? Name the laws.
  - CPLX 1y ago
    9 FAM 402.2-5(E)(1) (U) Commercial or Industrial Workers (CT:VISA-1288; 05-21-2021) a. (U) An applicant coming to the United States to install, service, or repair commercial or industrial equipment or machinery purchased from a company outside the United States or to train U.S. workers to perform such services. However, in such cases, the contract of sale must specifically require the seller to provide such services or training and the visa applicant must possess unique knowledge that is essential to the seller’s contractual obligation to perform the services or training and must receive no remuneration from a U.S. source. b. (U) These provisions do not apply to an applicant seeking to perform building or construction work, whether on-site or in-plant. The exception is for an applicant who is applying for a B-1 visa for supervising or training other workers engaged in building or construction work, but not actually performing any such building or construction work.
    - nashashmi 1y ago
      Those are provisions for visa grants. After the visa is given, was there any law that was broken? No. I agree the terms of the visa explicitly did not allow for applicants to perform construction. And they are accused of doing construction work. This means the State Department would issue visa cancellations and the company would get sanctioned. Instead ICE went ahead and arrested the employees. That is full overreach. Visa cancellation had not been issued.