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It would be amazing if an authoritarian government like that in Venezuela could just "facilitate" (such a funny word these days) getting a single convicted murd

by xrd 1y ago

It would be amazing if an authoritarian government like that in Venezuela could just "facilitate" (such a funny word these days) getting a single convicted murderer into the US and then turn the US into the same kind of authoritarian government. Whoops, I hope no other country in conflict with the US gets this idea, that pool has expanded significantly lately! I recall reading about the people who slammed planes into the World Trade Center towers. They were not hell bent on destroying buildings, they were hell bent on destroying society of the US, destroying buildings was just a stepping stone. And, sure seems like they succeeded.

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_9ptr 1y ago
That's why the orange man is protecting the border
- xrd 1y ago
  I just can't wrap my head around why spending $500M to paint the wall is protecting me from a Venezuelan murderer. Do Venezuelan murderers see them like colorful poisonous dart frogs and avoid them somehow? https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/border-wall-paint-cost-b308b9 https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/border-wall-paint-...
  - vkou 1y ago
    They don't, which is why racial profiling is back on the menu. Citizens on the streets don't need to show their papers to ICE, but that's been worked around by yesterday's SCOTUS. Being brown at Home Depot is now sufficient cause to get arrested by ICE.
    - brownppllovet 1y ago
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  - dylan604 1y ago
    It's funny to me how Build That Wall was such a key part of Trump 45 but is a giant nothing burger for Trump 47. How could it be that it is so much less important just 4 years later, oh, right, never mind
- maxerickson 1y ago
  Begs the question.
kps30 1y ago
Castro did that. Google Mariel Boatlift of 1980. But the US is not in decline because of whatever anyone from outside does. It's following the same cycle all Hegemons go through over 100-200 years. Whether its Greece, Babylon, Eygpt, Rome, Islamic Caliphates or all the later European powers. They all went through a similar a cycle - rise - dominate - decline. See Oswald Spengler - Rise and Fall of the West written 100 years ago.
- bloomingeek 1y ago
  You're referring to history, which nobody gives a care about it seems. Here in the US, it's as if we're living in a bad sci-fi/horror movie the last ten years. People argue about politics, forgetting to hold politicians accountable to any laws. Most of SCOTUS is a party stooge and the POTUS is a mafia type thug, basically blackmailing corporations and law firms. Trouble is, this "cycle" will most likely have world wide repercussions and in a lot of cases already has.
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apwell23 1y ago
>I recall reading about the people who slammed planes into the World Trade Center towers. They were not hell bent on destroying buildings, they were hell bent on destroying society of the US, destroying buildings was just a stepping stone. And, sure seems like they succeeded. nah someone made all that up after the fact
- vlabakje90 1y ago
  Al Zawahiri's Knights Under the Prophet’s Banner argued that spectacular attacks should provoke U.S. overreach, bleed it economically, and expose its weakness. That was published in 2001. After 9/11, but only by two months.
dpkirchner 1y ago
It would be extremely easy: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna206917 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna206917 > Mexico’s security chief confirmed Tuesday that 17 family members of cartel leaders crossed into the U.S. last week as part of a deal between a son of the former head of the Sinaloa Cartel and the Trump administration. I don't know how Republicans continue to support this administration. Maybe they just don't know he's aiding criminals?
- like_any_other 1y ago
  > He believed that was the case because the former cartel boss, whose lawyer said in January he had entered negotiations with U.S. authorities, had been pointing fingers at members of other criminal organizations likely as part of a cooperation agreement. > “It is evident that his family is going to the U.S. because of a negotiation or an offer that the Department of Justice is giving him,” Garcia Harfuch said. Looks like they're getting protection in exchange for testimony against other cartels.
- autoexec 1y ago
  > . Maybe they just don't know he's aiding criminals? I mean, our president is a criminal himself. Repeatedly violating the law and the constitution while in office. At this point those supporting the regime must doing it out of either cowardice or malice
  - dylan604 1y ago
    > I mean, our president is a criminal himself. Repeatedly violating the law and the constitution while in office Allegedly. No convictions have come from any of the accusations as POTUS.
    - autoexec 1y ago
      > No convictions have come from any of the accusations as POTUS. I'm not sure we'll ever see one since the supreme court is in his pocket and has already ruled that that the president is allowed to commit crimes as long as it was an "official act" as determined on a case by case basis by the court
pjc50 1y ago
The Venezuelan murderer doesn't actually have to exist for that to happen.
- xrd 1y ago
  Good point, you could, for example, accuse someone of being equivalently dangerous, say in the MS-13 gang, illegally deport him without due process, and then hold up a doctored photo with those initials tattooed on his hands and insist he had those tattoos on his hands. Then, just do whatever the hell you want all the name of protecting people from crime and protecting jobs. What am I saying, that's completely ridiculous and could never happen in a "law and order" country like the US.
  - Yeul 1y ago
    Man I'm old enough to remember how right wing America was angry about the FBI raid in Waco. Nobody really gives a shit about the constitution it is all about ideology. ICE is going after immigrants so nobody cares about the razzias.

by xrd 1y ago

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_9ptr 1y ago

That's why the orange man is protecting the border

xrd 1y ago
I just can't wrap my head around why spending $500M to paint the wall is protecting me from a Venezuelan murderer. Do Venezuelan murderers see them like colorful poisonous dart frogs and avoid them somehow? https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/border-wall-paint-cost-b308b9 https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/border-wall-paint-...
- vkou 1y ago
  They don't, which is why racial profiling is back on the menu. Citizens on the streets don't need to show their papers to ICE, but that's been worked around by yesterday's SCOTUS. Being brown at Home Depot is now sufficient cause to get arrested by ICE.
  - brownppllovet 1y ago
    [flagged]
- dylan604 1y ago
  It's funny to me how Build That Wall was such a key part of Trump 45 but is a giant nothing burger for Trump 47. How could it be that it is so much less important just 4 years later, oh, right, never mind
maxerickson 1y ago
Begs the question.

kps30 1y ago

Castro did that. Google Mariel Boatlift of 1980. But the US is not in decline because of whatever anyone from outside does. It's following the same cycle all Hegemons go through over 100-200 years. Whether its Greece, Babylon, Eygpt, Rome, Islamic Caliphates or all the later European powers. They all went through a similar a cycle - rise - dominate - decline. See Oswald Spengler - Rise and Fall of the West written 100 years ago.

bloomingeek 1y ago
You're referring to history, which nobody gives a care about it seems. Here in the US, it's as if we're living in a bad sci-fi/horror movie the last ten years. People argue about politics, forgetting to hold politicians accountable to any laws. Most of SCOTUS is a party stooge and the POTUS is a mafia type thug, basically blackmailing corporations and law firms. Trouble is, this "cycle" will most likely have world wide repercussions and in a lot of cases already has.
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apwell23 1y ago

>I recall reading about the people who slammed planes into the World Trade Center towers. They were not hell bent on destroying buildings, they were hell bent on destroying society of the US, destroying buildings was just a stepping stone. And, sure seems like they succeeded. nah someone made all that up after the fact

vlabakje90 1y ago
Al Zawahiri's Knights Under the Prophet’s Banner argued that spectacular attacks should provoke U.S. overreach, bleed it economically, and expose its weakness. That was published in 2001. After 9/11, but only by two months.

dpkirchner 1y ago

It would be extremely easy: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna206917 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna206917 > Mexico’s security chief confirmed Tuesday that 17 family members of cartel leaders crossed into the U.S. last week as part of a deal between a son of the former head of the Sinaloa Cartel and the Trump administration. I don't know how Republicans continue to support this administration. Maybe they just don't know he's aiding criminals?

like_any_other 1y ago
> He believed that was the case because the former cartel boss, whose lawyer said in January he had entered negotiations with U.S. authorities, had been pointing fingers at members of other criminal organizations likely as part of a cooperation agreement. > “It is evident that his family is going to the U.S. because of a negotiation or an offer that the Department of Justice is giving him,” Garcia Harfuch said. Looks like they're getting protection in exchange for testimony against other cartels.
autoexec 1y ago
> . Maybe they just don't know he's aiding criminals? I mean, our president is a criminal himself. Repeatedly violating the law and the constitution while in office. At this point those supporting the regime must doing it out of either cowardice or malice
- dylan604 1y ago
  > I mean, our president is a criminal himself. Repeatedly violating the law and the constitution while in office Allegedly. No convictions have come from any of the accusations as POTUS.
  - autoexec 1y ago
    > No convictions have come from any of the accusations as POTUS. I'm not sure we'll ever see one since the supreme court is in his pocket and has already ruled that that the president is allowed to commit crimes as long as it was an "official act" as determined on a case by case basis by the court

pjc50 1y ago

The Venezuelan murderer doesn't actually have to exist for that to happen.

xrd 1y ago
Good point, you could, for example, accuse someone of being equivalently dangerous, say in the MS-13 gang, illegally deport him without due process, and then hold up a doctored photo with those initials tattooed on his hands and insist he had those tattoos on his hands. Then, just do whatever the hell you want all the name of protecting people from crime and protecting jobs. What am I saying, that's completely ridiculous and could never happen in a "law and order" country like the US.
- Yeul 1y ago
  Man I'm old enough to remember how right wing America was angry about the FBI raid in Waco. Nobody really gives a shit about the constitution it is all about ideology. ICE is going after immigrants so nobody cares about the razzias.