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They'll probably just pass a law that states can't do this? Just like many states passed laws against municipal fiber.

bediger4000 1y ago
I've been told since at least 1980 that small, local government was best. I was given the impression that state level government was probably the optimum level to decide things, cities and counties could go off the rails in various ways. I haven't see a coherent rationale for reversing course on this doctrine, which was extremely strongly held, and cited a lot.
- outside1234 1y ago
  There are no principles here, no moral compass, only power. It is important to understand this.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    oh whew! I though we'd have to out you as having any.
  - Muromec 1y ago
    And once you do understand -- then what? You stop complaining and decide to put up with whatever the powers to be are up to, right?
    - alchemical_piss 1y ago
      Incorrect, you keep complaining and decide to put up with the powers that be.
- dataflow 1y ago
  Best for what purpose?
- gchamonlive 1y ago
  I also think smaller administration cells are more efficient, but when the president of the federation can just reshuffle the congressional districts and meddle with universities internal politics we gotta rethink how independent these states really are. There is no silver bullet, specially in politics.
- stetrain 1y ago
  This is generally the position of politicians with power in state governments, yes.
- mcny 1y ago
  > I was given the impression that state level government was probably the optimum level to decide things I don't think government at any level should get to discriminate based on protected classes and I hope most people alive today will agree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    That has never been true in practice. Just yesterday, the Supreme Court said that ICE can detain people solely if they are Hispanic and where they are. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/08/supreme-court-ice-raids-ruling-00550551 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/08/supreme-court-ice-r...
- pjc50 1y ago
  > I've been told By whom? > since at least 1980 that small, local government was best. I was given the impression By whom? > extremely strongly held, and cited a lot By whom?
- Muromec 1y ago
  There is a rule of subsidiarity -- problems have to be solved at the lowest level possible, because it has the most information. If it's not, it bubbles up to the next level upwards. EU, US and Catholic church all do this to the various degree.
ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
There's no big money that wants otherwise. If anything, corporations are all for this.
- post_break 1y ago
  Paid day cares probably have a big issue with this.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
    Maybe, but they may also get vouchers (that's what it sounds like). I wouldn't be surprised if it encourages companies to have on-site daycare. Probably richer taxpayers are the ones that won't like it.
Redoubts 1y ago
The federal government has a very different relationship to states, than states do to their municipalities. This law couldn't be passed, even if "they" wanted to.

I've been told since at least 1980 that small, local government was best. I was given the impression that state level government was probably the optimum level to decide things, cities and counties could go off the rails in various ways. I haven't see a coherent rationale for reversing course on this doctrine, which was extremely strongly held, and cited a lot.

outside1234 1y ago
There are no principles here, no moral compass, only power. It is important to understand this.
- fragmede 1y ago
  oh whew! I though we'd have to out you as having any.
- Muromec 1y ago
  And once you do understand -- then what? You stop complaining and decide to put up with whatever the powers to be are up to, right?
  - alchemical_piss 1y ago
    Incorrect, you keep complaining and decide to put up with the powers that be.
dataflow 1y ago
Best for what purpose?
gchamonlive 1y ago
I also think smaller administration cells are more efficient, but when the president of the federation can just reshuffle the congressional districts and meddle with universities internal politics we gotta rethink how independent these states really are. There is no silver bullet, specially in politics.
stetrain 1y ago
This is generally the position of politicians with power in state governments, yes.
mcny 1y ago
> I was given the impression that state level government was probably the optimum level to decide things I don't think government at any level should get to discriminate based on protected classes and I hope most people alive today will agree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine
- scarface_74 1y ago
  That has never been true in practice. Just yesterday, the Supreme Court said that ICE can detain people solely if they are Hispanic and where they are. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/08/supreme-court-ice-raids-ruling-00550551 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/08/supreme-court-ice-r...
pjc50 1y ago
> I've been told By whom? > since at least 1980 that small, local government was best. I was given the impression By whom? > extremely strongly held, and cited a lot By whom?
Muromec 1y ago
There is a rule of subsidiarity -- problems have to be solved at the lowest level possible, because it has the most information. If it's not, it bubbles up to the next level upwards. EU, US and Catholic church all do this to the various degree.

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago

There's no big money that wants otherwise. If anything, corporations are all for this.

post_break 1y ago
Paid day cares probably have a big issue with this.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  Maybe, but they may also get vouchers (that's what it sounds like). I wouldn't be surprised if it encourages companies to have on-site daycare. Probably richer taxpayers are the ones that won't like it.

Redoubts 1y ago

The federal government has a very different relationship to states, than states do to their municipalities. This law couldn't be passed, even if "they" wanted to.