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Sure, Vlad. If Russia stops fighting, they lose the war. If Ukraine stops fighting, they lose the country.

by CamperBob2 1y ago

tharmas 1y ago
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- CamperBob2 1y ago
  The Ukrainians have lost a lot of men. Do u want more to die? That would be up to the Ukrainians, Vlad. Not my call. And it's also up to Putin, of course.
  - ponector 1y ago
    That is always funny how ruzzian supporters follow victim blaming patterns. Ukrainian war could be ended anytime, ruzzians can simply go home instead of dying for $20000. The second option to end the war is for Ukrainians to surrender. To surrender their country, culture and future. And become in 10 years a part of ruzzian occupation army somewhere in Estonia.
    - tharmas 1y ago
      >Ukrainian war could be ended anytime Yes! In March 2022! Who wanted to keep it going? Who went to Ukraine on behalf of USA to scuttle peace talks? Boris Johnson. USA wanted this war. Putin's mistake was taking the bait.
      - mopsi 1y ago
        > Who went to Ukraine on behalf of USA to scuttle peace talks? There was nothing to scuttle. To this day, Russia stands by the original demands of taking over Ukraine's government, disbanding its army, and blocking foreign aid to Ukraine. Or in other words, unconditional surrender. > USA wanted this war. Putin's mistake was taking the bait. After the invasion stalled in March 2022, I predicted that in ten years' time, Putin would be blamed for being a CIA agent sent to destroy Russia. Looks like we're halfway there. :)
        ponector 1y ago
        >>> Putin would be blamed for being a CIA agent sent to destroy Russia Have you seen how US soldiers have been rolling out red carpet for putin? A national hero was coming home.
        dragonwriter 1y ago
        They’ve occasionally given signs they’ll accept “just” keeping Crimea, a big swath of Eastern Ukraine, and structurally weakening Ukraine and blocking it from outside alliances. Which also amounts to unconditional surrender, but with extra steps.
- Y-bar 1y ago
  Russia is free stop killing Ukrainians at any minute they want, why are you suggesting that Europe's support should stop and Ukraine must cease their defence?
tharmas 1y ago
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- ponector 1y ago
  >> They will take all the Russian speaking parts like Odessa That's a ruzzian dream. Ruzzians can afford to take few villages near the front line, destroying every building in the process. Odessa? Why not Kyiv? There is no way they can take any major city, especially one of the biggest one. The best deal they can get is to keep occupied territory, without any recognition.
  - tharmas 1y ago
    To wear down Russia to manageable size: get the Ukrainians to pay in blood and the EU to pay for the bombs. Bonus: Germany crippled because cut off cheap gas supplies, and prevents Russia Germany alliance turning into rival superpower to USA. Another bonus is EU crippled with war debt. This war is about geopolitics. Not morals or ethics. The USA wanted this war to wear down Russian power. Putin took the bait. Who scuttled the early attempt at a peace deal? Boris Johnson, on behalf of USA. Because the USA wanted this war. But now Russia and China are allies. That's a bad geopolitical outcome for USA.
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. They're not really going to give you an extra potato for every karma point you rack up. Maybe when Prigozhin was still running the show, but not now.
      - tharmas 1y ago
        Why? Because i don't swallow neocon propaganda? I used to be just like u. I was outraged when Putin took Crimea in 2014. I watched the Maidan protests live. Then I dove into the history of Ukraine. And i began to learn things the news media doesn't tell you. I began, GASP, to change my mind. People ALWAYS resort to insults when you say the war is lost for Ukraine. Even if i was to be wrong why always the insults. Cant people disagree without resorting to insults?
tim333 1y ago
I note in the lost war, Russia at its peak controlled 27% of Ukraine in 2022, and now after three years and ~1m casualties controls 19% and is having problems with its oil industry blowing up.
illiac786 1y ago
agreed but I think you are underselling it. “loosing the country” sounds like an administrative detail. I know you probably do not mean this at all, but I’d like to remind everyone: reports coming from (previously) russian occupied areas are horrifying. Loosing the country would mean the situation of these areas extends to all of Ukraine. Even if the war ends, Russia will continue to run a regime of terror and brain washing to make sure no one ever even thinks of regaining independence again, ever.

Sure, Vlad. If Russia stops fighting, they lose the war. If Ukraine stops fighting, they lose the country.

tharmas 1y ago

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CamperBob2 1y ago
The Ukrainians have lost a lot of men. Do u want more to die? That would be up to the Ukrainians, Vlad. Not my call. And it's also up to Putin, of course.
- ponector 1y ago
  That is always funny how ruzzian supporters follow victim blaming patterns. Ukrainian war could be ended anytime, ruzzians can simply go home instead of dying for $20000. The second option to end the war is for Ukrainians to surrender. To surrender their country, culture and future. And become in 10 years a part of ruzzian occupation army somewhere in Estonia.
  - tharmas 1y ago
    >Ukrainian war could be ended anytime Yes! In March 2022! Who wanted to keep it going? Who went to Ukraine on behalf of USA to scuttle peace talks? Boris Johnson. USA wanted this war. Putin's mistake was taking the bait.
    - mopsi 1y ago
      > Who went to Ukraine on behalf of USA to scuttle peace talks? There was nothing to scuttle. To this day, Russia stands by the original demands of taking over Ukraine's government, disbanding its army, and blocking foreign aid to Ukraine. Or in other words, unconditional surrender. > USA wanted this war. Putin's mistake was taking the bait. After the invasion stalled in March 2022, I predicted that in ten years' time, Putin would be blamed for being a CIA agent sent to destroy Russia. Looks like we're halfway there. :)
      - ponector 1y ago
        >>> Putin would be blamed for being a CIA agent sent to destroy Russia Have you seen how US soldiers have been rolling out red carpet for putin? A national hero was coming home.
      - dragonwriter 1y ago
        They’ve occasionally given signs they’ll accept “just” keeping Crimea, a big swath of Eastern Ukraine, and structurally weakening Ukraine and blocking it from outside alliances. Which also amounts to unconditional surrender, but with extra steps.
Y-bar 1y ago
Russia is free stop killing Ukrainians at any minute they want, why are you suggesting that Europe's support should stop and Ukraine must cease their defence?

tharmas 1y ago

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ponector 1y ago
>> They will take all the Russian speaking parts like Odessa That's a ruzzian dream. Ruzzians can afford to take few villages near the front line, destroying every building in the process. Odessa? Why not Kyiv? There is no way they can take any major city, especially one of the biggest one. The best deal they can get is to keep occupied territory, without any recognition.
- tharmas 1y ago
  To wear down Russia to manageable size: get the Ukrainians to pay in blood and the EU to pay for the bombs. Bonus: Germany crippled because cut off cheap gas supplies, and prevents Russia Germany alliance turning into rival superpower to USA. Another bonus is EU crippled with war debt. This war is about geopolitics. Not morals or ethics. The USA wanted this war to wear down Russian power. Putin took the bait. Who scuttled the early attempt at a peace deal? Boris Johnson, on behalf of USA. Because the USA wanted this war. But now Russia and China are allies. That's a bad geopolitical outcome for USA.
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. They're not really going to give you an extra potato for every karma point you rack up. Maybe when Prigozhin was still running the show, but not now.
    - tharmas 1y ago
      Why? Because i don't swallow neocon propaganda? I used to be just like u. I was outraged when Putin took Crimea in 2014. I watched the Maidan protests live. Then I dove into the history of Ukraine. And i began to learn things the news media doesn't tell you. I began, GASP, to change my mind. People ALWAYS resort to insults when you say the war is lost for Ukraine. Even if i was to be wrong why always the insults. Cant people disagree without resorting to insults?

tim333 1y ago

I note in the lost war, Russia at its peak controlled 27% of Ukraine in 2022, and now after three years and ~1m casualties controls 19% and is having problems with its oil industry blowing up.

illiac786 1y ago

agreed but I think you are underselling it. “loosing the country” sounds like an administrative detail. I know you probably do not mean this at all, but I’d like to remind everyone: reports coming from (previously) russian occupied areas are horrifying. Loosing the country would mean the situation of these areas extends to all of Ukraine. Even if the war ends, Russia will continue to run a regime of terror and brain washing to make sure no one ever even thinks of regaining independence again, ever.