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It's the same with military sites in France, where satellite images are blurred but you still get street view, and if that doesn't exist, you can still look at

It's the same with military sites in France, where satellite images are blurred but you still get street view, and if that doesn't exist, you can still look at ground level photos, like so https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kr2822pASFRPLJHR7 https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kr2822pASFRPLJHR7 Compliance is fun.

rtkwe 1y ago
Aerial images that look down to the inside courtyards etc of a location are different than Streetview which just shows the same view someone could get walking by.
perihelions 1y ago
France tried in the past to censor information about their sensitive facilities on Wikipedia, too. In 2013, their intelligence agency detained a random admin who was a French national, and forced them to use their credentials to make an edit in front of them, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5503354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5503354 ("French homeland intelligence threatens a sysop into deleting a Wikipedia Article (wikimedia.fr)", 191 comments) The military site in that dispute was https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pierre-sur-Haute_military_radio_station https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pierre-sur-Haute_... ("Pierre-sur-Haute military radio station") > "As a result of the controversy, the article temporarily became the most read page on the French Wikipedia, which was noted as an example of the Streisand effect.")
trillic 1y ago
Another weird French one https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B046'51.6%22N+56%C2%B010'17.0%22W/@46.7815376,-56.1755249,1496m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d46.781!4d-56.1713889!5m1!1e1 https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B046'51.6%22N+56%C2%...
- ctphipps 1y ago
  French as in language alone...
  - trillic 1y ago
    Residents of Saint Pierre and Miquelon are French (and EU) Citizens, not Canadian citizens.
    - perihelions 1y ago
      This downvoted comment is factually correct—this is actually France; not Quebec or anything. (I didn't know this either!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon ("overseas collectivity of France in the northwestern Atlantic Ocean, located near the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador")
- perihelions 1y ago
  It's probably this small jail, https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7812199,-56.1705941,3a,46.7y,269.82h,87.01t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sCIHM0ogKEICAgIC6m4_ZNA!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2Fgpms-cs-s%2FAB8u6Hb4r4GLjLwCn6KjlIzlWM-jFF_D_gJqAl_Fl5oN-ixhQg5EFQm3HQfDWOHCU3OcvEdyw6oMmiMPFrmT_7mvPtU2muG5bsQ4lRsOX0yV4fhUxoacCNGI0nCWWMho4EoEMJVr3-Ge%3Dw900-h600-k-no-pi2.986698749639615-ya288.0998536316185-ro0-fo100!7i7680!8i3840!5m1!1e1 https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7812199,-56.1705941,3a,46.7y...
preisschild 1y ago
They also do that for their civilian nuclear power plants unfortunately https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gravelines+Nuclear+Power+Station/@51.012674,2.1366856,1079m https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gravelines+Nuclear+Power+S...
- dhx 1y ago
  What caused France to seemingly start this practice in 2020? ESRI's 2020 August basemap includes a 50cm unblurred Maxar WV02 image of Gravelines Nuclear Power Station captured on Aug 17, 2016.[1] In their 2020 September basemap revision, the same image from Maxar WV02 is then blurred. The image chosen by ESRI (and since blurred) for their basemap until they switched it to a Jun 3, 2023 Maxar GE01 alternative image was:[2] Catalog ID: 1030050053F98A00 Sensor: WV2 Resolution: 50 cm Min Resolution: 0.57593 Max Resolution: 0.60326 Acquisition Date: 08-17-2016 Acquisition Time: 11:18:32.379526 UTC Off-Nadir: 29.8° Sun Azimuth: 165.3° Target Az. Min: 0° Target Az. Max: 0° Target Az.: 0° Sun Elevation: 52.0° Cloud Cover: 5% Band Count: 8 If someone were to order and pay for this specific archived satellite imagery through a reseller, would it be blurred? What about newer imagery that ESRI etc haven't added to their basemaps(s)? Seemingly the blurring is being done by the likes of Google, ESRI, etc who supply public basemap imagery, and not by the organisation/company collecting the imagery off the satellite constellation? With the expansion of China's fleet of optical and radar satellites (such as Siwei Gaojing-1 at a claimed 20-30cm resolution), is there an agreement amongst China, US, Europe, Japan (and other countries) that China will blur French power stations, and Europe will blur Chinese power stations in return? If not, I suppose anyone that cares for it will use American/European satellite imagery providers for imagery of China, and Chinese imagery providers for imagery of the US/Europe. [1] https://livingatlas.arcgis.com/wayback/#mapCenter=2.13709%2C51.01451%2C17&mode=explore&active=6049 https://livingatlas.arcgis.com/wayback/#mapCenter=2.13709%2C... [2] https://imagehunter-api.apollomapping.com/static/img/preview_images/1030050053F98A00.png?dc=5c78ae39-9ab1-4604-8b9f-8cc9f46edc18 https://imagehunter-api.apollomapping.com/static/img/preview...

rtkwe 1y ago

Aerial images that look down to the inside courtyards etc of a location are different than Streetview which just shows the same view someone could get walking by.

perihelions 1y ago

France tried in the past to censor information about their sensitive facilities on Wikipedia, too. In 2013, their intelligence agency detained a random admin who was a French national, and forced them to use their credentials to make an edit in front of them, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5503354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5503354 ("French homeland intelligence threatens a sysop into deleting a Wikipedia Article (wikimedia.fr)", 191 comments) The military site in that dispute was https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pierre-sur-Haute_military_radio_station https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pierre-sur-Haute_... ("Pierre-sur-Haute military radio station") > "As a result of the controversy, the article temporarily became the most read page on the French Wikipedia, which was noted as an example of the Streisand effect.")

trillic 1y ago

Another weird French one https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B046'51.6%22N+56%C2%B010'17.0%22W/@46.7815376,-56.1755249,1496m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d46.781!4d-56.1713889!5m1!1e1 https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B046'51.6%22N+56%C2%...

ctphipps 1y ago
French as in language alone...
- trillic 1y ago
  Residents of Saint Pierre and Miquelon are French (and EU) Citizens, not Canadian citizens.
  - perihelions 1y ago
    This downvoted comment is factually correct—this is actually France; not Quebec or anything. (I didn't know this either!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon ("overseas collectivity of France in the northwestern Atlantic Ocean, located near the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador")
perihelions 1y ago
It's probably this small jail, https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7812199,-56.1705941,3a,46.7y,269.82h,87.01t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sCIHM0ogKEICAgIC6m4_ZNA!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2Fgpms-cs-s%2FAB8u6Hb4r4GLjLwCn6KjlIzlWM-jFF_D_gJqAl_Fl5oN-ixhQg5EFQm3HQfDWOHCU3OcvEdyw6oMmiMPFrmT_7mvPtU2muG5bsQ4lRsOX0yV4fhUxoacCNGI0nCWWMho4EoEMJVr3-Ge%3Dw900-h600-k-no-pi2.986698749639615-ya288.0998536316185-ro0-fo100!7i7680!8i3840!5m1!1e1 https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7812199,-56.1705941,3a,46.7y...

preisschild 1y ago

They also do that for their civilian nuclear power plants unfortunately https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gravelines+Nuclear+Power+Station/@51.012674,2.1366856,1079m https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gravelines+Nuclear+Power+S...

dhx 1y ago
What caused France to seemingly start this practice in 2020? ESRI's 2020 August basemap includes a 50cm unblurred Maxar WV02 image of Gravelines Nuclear Power Station captured on Aug 17, 2016.[1] In their 2020 September basemap revision, the same image from Maxar WV02 is then blurred. The image chosen by ESRI (and since blurred) for their basemap until they switched it to a Jun 3, 2023 Maxar GE01 alternative image was:[2] Catalog ID: 1030050053F98A00 Sensor: WV2 Resolution: 50 cm Min Resolution: 0.57593 Max Resolution: 0.60326 Acquisition Date: 08-17-2016 Acquisition Time: 11:18:32.379526 UTC Off-Nadir: 29.8° Sun Azimuth: 165.3° Target Az. Min: 0° Target Az. Max: 0° Target Az.: 0° Sun Elevation: 52.0° Cloud Cover: 5% Band Count: 8 If someone were to order and pay for this specific archived satellite imagery through a reseller, would it be blurred? What about newer imagery that ESRI etc haven't added to their basemaps(s)? Seemingly the blurring is being done by the likes of Google, ESRI, etc who supply public basemap imagery, and not by the organisation/company collecting the imagery off the satellite constellation? With the expansion of China's fleet of optical and radar satellites (such as Siwei Gaojing-1 at a claimed 20-30cm resolution), is there an agreement amongst China, US, Europe, Japan (and other countries) that China will blur French power stations, and Europe will blur Chinese power stations in return? If not, I suppose anyone that cares for it will use American/European satellite imagery providers for imagery of China, and Chinese imagery providers for imagery of the US/Europe. [1] https://livingatlas.arcgis.com/wayback/#mapCenter=2.13709%2C51.01451%2C17&mode=explore&active=6049 https://livingatlas.arcgis.com/wayback/#mapCenter=2.13709%2C... [2] https://imagehunter-api.apollomapping.com/static/img/preview_images/1030050053F98A00.png?dc=5c78ae39-9ab1-4604-8b9f-8cc9f46edc18 https://imagehunter-api.apollomapping.com/static/img/preview...