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How is that different?

• koakuma-chan 1y ago
  Passkey only works when you're on the correct website
  • 243423443 1y ago
    Care to explain?
    • vladvasiliu 1y ago
      The actual URL in the browser is part of what the passkey signs. So if you go to totallynotascam.com which turns out to be some dude intercepting and passing the connection to npm, the signature would be refused by npm since it wouldn't be for the correct domain.
  • diggan 1y ago
    Use a password manager (that isn't too buggy and/or suck) and you get the same thing for both TOTP and passwords.
    • koakuma-chan 1y ago
      Npm can't force people to use password manager
      • diggan 1y ago
        Nor does TOTP+password lock you to one authentication provider indefinitely. Tradeoffs :)
        • maltee 1y ago
          You can always register a new passkey with the site if you want to switch authentication providers, can’t you?
          • diggan 1y ago
            Yeah, I guess that'd work if I had a couple of accounts, but since there a bunch of them, I really need proper import/export to feel comfortable with moving to it. I just know I'd punt the task of migrating everything if I have to go account-by-account to migrate away. Considering that today it'd add work for me today, and future work, with no additional security benefits compared to my current approach, it just don't seem worth it.
        • vel0city 1y ago
          I've got passkeys from multiple "authentication providers" available on all of my devices. This isn't a tradeoff.
      • ljlolel 1y ago
        You can if you just force passwords longer than people can memorize or even want to write down (assigned 24+ characters)
        • koakuma-chan 1y ago
          It's just gonna be on a sticky note hanging on the screen or under keyboard
        • hu3 1y ago
          careless people just copy paste those
    • ApolloFortyNine 1y ago
      As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the password manager failing to autofill is hardly unheard of.
      • diggan 1y ago
        As also mentioned elsewhere in this submission, it doesn't matter how often autofill breaks/works. There are two cases where it breaks: The accounts not showing up in the password manager modal, and the website autofill not working. The first is what prevents phishing, the second doesn't really matter to prevent phishing or not. The idea is that if your password manager doesn't show the usual list of accounts (regardless if the actual autofill after clicking the account works or not), you double-check the domain.
        • yawaramin 1y ago
          Yes, the idea you are presenting is that the human being must manually check for mistakes. As should be clear by now, this idea does not work at scale. Passkeys will automate and enforce the check, removing human error from the equation.
          • diggan 1y ago
            > Yes, the idea you are presenting is that the human being must manually check for mistakes. Not at all? The password manager handles that automatically, have you never used a password manager before? > Passkeys will automate and enforce the check What happens to the passkey when the origin changes, is it automatically recognising it as the new domain without any manual input? Curious to see what magic is responsible for that
            • yawaramin 1y ago
              > Not at all? Yes: '...you double-check the domain.' That's manually checking for mistakes. > What happens to the passkey when the origin changes, The passkey won't work at all. You will just have to create a new one.
  • codedokode 1y ago
    Unlike humans.
• operator-name 1y ago
  The browser ensures that a passkey can only be used on the correct site.
• semiquaver 1y ago
  Passkeys are unphishable because there is nothing to type in. And they are locked to an origin by design, so you can’t accidentally use one on the wrong domain because the browser simply won’t do it.
  • jve 1y ago
    ... and they are not transferrable, tied to BigCorp & Friends.
    • Semaphor 1y ago
      I use a hardware key as passkey where supported, nothing ties me to anything but those keys. Also there are OSS software managers that support them, like KeePass and friends.
      • wavemode 1y ago
        does your hardware key work on mobile? or do you now need to maintain two keys for every service?
        • vel0city 1y ago
          Yes, my hardware keys work on my mobile devices as well. > do you now need to maintain two keys for every service? I do maintain multiple keys for every service. I wouldn't say it's a lot of maintenance, any more than a far more secure "remember me" box is "maintenance". When I register for a new service, I add my hardware token on my keychain as a passkey. I sign in on my laptop for the first time for a service I'll use there more than once, I make a passkey. I sign in on my desktop for the first time, I make a passkey, maybe make a spare in my password manager. Maybe if it's something I use on my phone, I'll make a passkey there as well when I sign in for the first time. When I get around to it, I'll add the spare hardware token I keep in a drawer. But its not like "I just signed up for a new service, now I must go around to every device and make a new passkey immediately. As long as I've got a couple of passkeys at registration time, I'm probably fine. Lose my laptop? Its ok, I've got other passkeys. Lose my keys? Its ok, I've got other passkeys. My laptop and keys get stolen at the same time? Its ok, I've got other passkeys. Its really not that hard.