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So if you don’t look at the Cybertruck, which basically can’t be sold outside North America, they haven’t had a new vehicle in 5 years. If you look at the exis

So if you don’t look at the Cybertruck, which basically can’t be sold outside North America, they haven’t had a new vehicle in 5 years. If you look at the existing vehicles: - they no longer sell Model S and X in Europe and right hand markets - Model S has had one external visual change since it was introduced, Model X has never had one - the refreshed Model 3 and Y don’t really have any battery or charging improvements, last time they updated those was 8 years ago - no V2L like others - no increased battery capacity - no 800V on anything outside CT - Tesla’s charging curves compared to others are laughable - no increased creature comforts, eg massaging seats, screens for passenger, air suspension, automated frunk, 360 view, etc - no FSD worldwide - Autopilot hasn’t seen an update in years - park assist is horrible compared to USS The market has really caught up and in a lot of places outpaced Tesla - Rivian, Audi, Polestar, Volvo, Hyundai, KIA have better products

jaimex2 1y ago
Sounds like they are all in on Robotaxi huh ;)
- akmarinov 1y ago
  Do you mean Robotaxi or Cybercab? Robotaxi is just Model Ys that have a FSD version that they let on to some cities. It’s again something that’ll never make it outside the US, even though the market there is big enough for it to be sustainable. Cybercab is never coming out. It doesn’t make sense for it to exist and be sold to people. 200 mile range 2 seater? It mostly makes sense as a literal cab and if it’s going to be profitable for whoever buys it and lets it be a Robotaxi, there’s no point for Tesla to sell it, as they can just be the ones that take in that profit on every vehicle.
plqbfbv 1y ago
I have to agree with most of the points here (I own a Tesla Model 3). The only point where in my view they're still far ahead is infotainment: seamless experience, regular upgrades, very good security, new features every now and then. Hardware-wise the competitors caught up. I'll add: they don't have a city/compact car (Euro A/B/C segment), their "smallest" offer starts at the D-segment Model 3, which is a big car by EU standards. I know that for US standards these look small, but for the rest of the world they represent huge chunk of cars. People don't need a Model 3 for daily driving, they need the equivalent of a Volkswagen Golf, with ~400km real range. If instead of the CT they had released an 800V, V2L+V2G, 48V B/C-segment car, they'd have grabbed most of the market. The CT was a very expensive (and stupid in some places - exterior in non-painted steel) experiment in new tech, architecture and steer by wire that had 0 follow up so far.

jaimex2 1y ago

Sounds like they are all in on Robotaxi huh ;)

akmarinov 1y ago
Do you mean Robotaxi or Cybercab? Robotaxi is just Model Ys that have a FSD version that they let on to some cities. It’s again something that’ll never make it outside the US, even though the market there is big enough for it to be sustainable. Cybercab is never coming out. It doesn’t make sense for it to exist and be sold to people. 200 mile range 2 seater? It mostly makes sense as a literal cab and if it’s going to be profitable for whoever buys it and lets it be a Robotaxi, there’s no point for Tesla to sell it, as they can just be the ones that take in that profit on every vehicle.

plqbfbv 1y ago

I have to agree with most of the points here (I own a Tesla Model 3). The only point where in my view they're still far ahead is infotainment: seamless experience, regular upgrades, very good security, new features every now and then. Hardware-wise the competitors caught up. I'll add: they don't have a city/compact car (Euro A/B/C segment), their "smallest" offer starts at the D-segment Model 3, which is a big car by EU standards. I know that for US standards these look small, but for the rest of the world they represent huge chunk of cars. People don't need a Model 3 for daily driving, they need the equivalent of a Volkswagen Golf, with ~400km real range. If instead of the CT they had released an 800V, V2L+V2G, 48V B/C-segment car, they'd have grabbed most of the market. The CT was a very expensive (and stupid in some places - exterior in non-painted steel) experiment in new tech, architecture and steer by wire that had 0 follow up so far.