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It is not a social contract. They track me whether I use their services or not, on websites that are completely unrelated. I do not get a choice, not to mention

It is not a social contract. They track me whether I use their services or not, on websites that are completely unrelated. I do not get a choice, not to mention the monopolies they built (yeah, fuck YouTube). These ads eat up my resources and affect my battery life. There is no more honour involved as when someone pays the mob for protection. I strongly reject this argument. I am bound by honour but they can do anything and change the contract unilaterally? Fuck them, that’s no contract at all.

charcircuit 1y ago
Your choice is to stop giving that place traffic.
- bigfudge 1y ago
  When sites like these host a large part of our culture, I think it’s reasonable to think about non compliance because the alternative is essentially to become a digital hermit and not to be able to understand the world one is in. I never agreed to have all public spaces for Dr age ad-supported, for example. These illegal monopolies have made it impossible to talk to large chunks of the population without either watching ads or using an ad blocker. That feels wrong.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    Just because a place hosts culture, it doesn't mean that you are entitled for it. For example new movies are pay of culture, but that doesn't mean you should sneak in to a theater without buying a ticket because every movie theater requires paying. Compensating creators for their work is a part of experiencing creative works that are culturally relevant.
    - account42 1y ago
      The US constitution absolutely does recognize that the public is entitled to all cultural works, which is why copyright is required to be time limited.
- oneshtein 1y ago
  This is exactly what my ad blocker does.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    Ad blockers typically only block ads, and not the website too. That way people can experience content for free without compensating the creator hy giving them an ad impression.
- kergonath 1y ago
  That’s the thing: I cannot. The whole web is infested with their trackers and their ads. And there is no alternative to YouTube, for example, including for videos that were uploaded before they went completely overboard with ads. So no, I am not giving up on my ad blockers.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    >The whole web is infested with their trackers and their ads. This is an exaggeration. There are ad free alternatives. >And there is no alternative to YouTube Youtube has a subscription you can pay for no ads. There other video sites who charge a subscription instead of offering ads too.
    - kergonath 1y ago
      > This is an exaggeration. There are ad free alternatives. Again, their (mostly Google and Facebook’s, but there are many companies tracking me with whom I never had direct contact) trackers are all over the web and I see them in the blocked list very regularly on websites that have nothing to do with them. > Youtube has a subscription you can pay for no ads. There other video sites who charge a subscription instead of offering ads too. Yeah, cool. They changed their terms of use, and I changed mine. Happy to negotiate when they are available.
- kelnos 1y ago
  That is one choice. Another is to use an ad blocker.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Yes, or alternatively: use an ad blocker. Their software is running on my computer. I decide what scripts I want or don't, and I can and will block whatever the fuck with impunity. If they can't prevent that, or it's too expensive, or they don't care, that's not my problem. That's a business problem. Its not my business. I don't care. Its like getting a free sample at Costco and then taking it home and throwing it away. That's my right. I can do that if I want. If you want to run software on my computer, you play by my rules. That means an ad blocker. If you don't like that then figure it out. I'm not gonna figure it out for you.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    No one is saying ad blocking is not technically possible. Wanting everyone to play by your rules is selfish and doesn't acknowledge the needs of others. >Its like getting a free sample at Costco and then taking it home and throwing it away. That's my right. I can do that if I want. It's also like stealing a TV from Costco. Just because you technically can pick up a TV and then bring it to your car without paying and drive off, doesn't mean you should do it. It's unfair to Costco for them to play by your rules.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      > Wanting everyone to play by your rules is selfish and doesn't acknowledge the needs of others. I'm not wanting anything, I'm telling you literally they are playing by my rules. They are requesting to run scripts on my computer. It is my computer. If I say no, then the answer is no. This is merely a request from them. I can abide, and I often will, but I have absolutely no moral, technical, or legal obligation to do so. > I's also like stealing a TV from Costco. No, because that's illegal. You are REQUESTING to run advertisement scripts on my computer. I can deny that request. If you don't like that, then don't allow me access. It is my responsibility, solely, to decide what scripts are running on my computer. If Google asked you to download heartbleed and run it, you wouldn't do it, would you? Great, so you understand the concept. The disconnect here is you believe I am entitled. And I am - I am entitled to deciding what runs on my computer. You are not entitled to run arbitrary code on my computer because your business model requires it. I'm not your accountant, figure it out.

charcircuit 1y ago

Your choice is to stop giving that place traffic.

bigfudge 1y ago
When sites like these host a large part of our culture, I think it’s reasonable to think about non compliance because the alternative is essentially to become a digital hermit and not to be able to understand the world one is in. I never agreed to have all public spaces for Dr age ad-supported, for example. These illegal monopolies have made it impossible to talk to large chunks of the population without either watching ads or using an ad blocker. That feels wrong.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  Just because a place hosts culture, it doesn't mean that you are entitled for it. For example new movies are pay of culture, but that doesn't mean you should sneak in to a theater without buying a ticket because every movie theater requires paying. Compensating creators for their work is a part of experiencing creative works that are culturally relevant.
  - account42 1y ago
    The US constitution absolutely does recognize that the public is entitled to all cultural works, which is why copyright is required to be time limited.
oneshtein 1y ago
This is exactly what my ad blocker does.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  Ad blockers typically only block ads, and not the website too. That way people can experience content for free without compensating the creator hy giving them an ad impression.
kergonath 1y ago
That’s the thing: I cannot. The whole web is infested with their trackers and their ads. And there is no alternative to YouTube, for example, including for videos that were uploaded before they went completely overboard with ads. So no, I am not giving up on my ad blockers.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  >The whole web is infested with their trackers and their ads. This is an exaggeration. There are ad free alternatives. >And there is no alternative to YouTube Youtube has a subscription you can pay for no ads. There other video sites who charge a subscription instead of offering ads too.
  - kergonath 1y ago
    > This is an exaggeration. There are ad free alternatives. Again, their (mostly Google and Facebook’s, but there are many companies tracking me with whom I never had direct contact) trackers are all over the web and I see them in the blocked list very regularly on websites that have nothing to do with them. > Youtube has a subscription you can pay for no ads. There other video sites who charge a subscription instead of offering ads too. Yeah, cool. They changed their terms of use, and I changed mine. Happy to negotiate when they are available.
kelnos 1y ago
That is one choice. Another is to use an ad blocker.
const_cast 1y ago
Yes, or alternatively: use an ad blocker. Their software is running on my computer. I decide what scripts I want or don't, and I can and will block whatever the fuck with impunity. If they can't prevent that, or it's too expensive, or they don't care, that's not my problem. That's a business problem. Its not my business. I don't care. Its like getting a free sample at Costco and then taking it home and throwing it away. That's my right. I can do that if I want. If you want to run software on my computer, you play by my rules. That means an ad blocker. If you don't like that then figure it out. I'm not gonna figure it out for you.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  No one is saying ad blocking is not technically possible. Wanting everyone to play by your rules is selfish and doesn't acknowledge the needs of others. >Its like getting a free sample at Costco and then taking it home and throwing it away. That's my right. I can do that if I want. It's also like stealing a TV from Costco. Just because you technically can pick up a TV and then bring it to your car without paying and drive off, doesn't mean you should do it. It's unfair to Costco for them to play by your rules.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    > Wanting everyone to play by your rules is selfish and doesn't acknowledge the needs of others. I'm not wanting anything, I'm telling you literally they are playing by my rules. They are requesting to run scripts on my computer. It is my computer. If I say no, then the answer is no. This is merely a request from them. I can abide, and I often will, but I have absolutely no moral, technical, or legal obligation to do so. > I's also like stealing a TV from Costco. No, because that's illegal. You are REQUESTING to run advertisement scripts on my computer. I can deny that request. If you don't like that, then don't allow me access. It is my responsibility, solely, to decide what scripts are running on my computer. If Google asked you to download heartbleed and run it, you wouldn't do it, would you? Great, so you understand the concept. The disconnect here is you believe I am entitled. And I am - I am entitled to deciding what runs on my computer. You are not entitled to run arbitrary code on my computer because your business model requires it. I'm not your accountant, figure it out.