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1. How does the iphone 5's feature set make them file litigation in early 2010? 2. Android started to outsell Apple in 2010 not "in the past year"

by Steko 14y ago

bane 14y ago
1. I'm just guessing, but my feeling is that the 5 was well into its design and testing cycle well before 2012. I don't know how long Apple's cycle is but I've hard that just getting network approval from some carriers can take as long as 12 months. It wouldn't surprise me if they had working near complete prototypes as far back as 2010. 2. I think it's specific manufacturers, not the aggregate community of makers. It makes it easier in some ways to target the largest builders instead of every random builder of cheap handsets one at a time.
- Steko 14y ago
  I'm sure they work on many prototypes years in advance but if they wanted more features for the iphone 5 release occam's razor says they would just add more features. People act like Apple's engineers can't figure out how to solder an NFC chip or use removable batteries or expandable storage or micro USB or support Flash or make a much larger phone. No, they decided to not include these things on purpose.
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MatthewPhillips 14y ago
This is the first time a single phone (the SGS III) has outsold the iPhone in the U.S.
- Steko 14y ago
  minor nit: it wouldn't shock me if SGS 3 did win one or more months and I have no doubt devices will start to do that with regularity but that data point was questionable and looked to be based on carrier store data only. more minor nit: blackberry frequently outsold the iphone for several years. trivia/speculation: original droid launched 11/09 and finished 3rd to iphone 3gs's 2nd for the whole '09 holiday quarter (bb curve was #1) so it's not unlikely that the Droid was ahead of the iphone in one or both of Nov and Dec 09. I imagine there might be other months where single non-blackberry devices have beaten the iphone.
  - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
    Yes, I believe this is the first time a non-iPhone has won the quarter.
    - Steko 14y ago
      Maybe I wasn't clear but Blackberry won most quarters for the first 2 years of iphone. Also: the report was that GS3 "won" US sales in August not the quarter (which isn't over yet). Which may be true but the report looked like it was just counting carrier stores which doesn't necessarily mean they won overall. Whether the GS3 "wins" the quarter seems like a red herring given the iP5 will only have 2 weeks on sale this quarter.

1. How does the iphone 5's feature set make them file litigation in early 2010? 2. Android started to outsell Apple in 2010 not "in the past year"

by Steko 14y ago

1. How does the iphone 5's feature set make them file litigation in early 2010? 2. Android started to outsell Apple in 2010 not "in the past year"

bane 14y ago

1. I'm just guessing, but my feeling is that the 5 was well into its design and testing cycle well before 2012. I don't know how long Apple's cycle is but I've hard that just getting network approval from some carriers can take as long as 12 months. It wouldn't surprise me if they had working near complete prototypes as far back as 2010. 2. I think it's specific manufacturers, not the aggregate community of makers. It makes it easier in some ways to target the largest builders instead of every random builder of cheap handsets one at a time.

Steko 14y ago
I'm sure they work on many prototypes years in advance but if they wanted more features for the iphone 5 release occam's razor says they would just add more features. People act like Apple's engineers can't figure out how to solder an NFC chip or use removable batteries or expandable storage or micro USB or support Flash or make a much larger phone. No, they decided to not include these things on purpose.
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MatthewPhillips 14y ago

This is the first time a single phone (the SGS III) has outsold the iPhone in the U.S.

Steko 14y ago
minor nit: it wouldn't shock me if SGS 3 did win one or more months and I have no doubt devices will start to do that with regularity but that data point was questionable and looked to be based on carrier store data only. more minor nit: blackberry frequently outsold the iphone for several years. trivia/speculation: original droid launched 11/09 and finished 3rd to iphone 3gs's 2nd for the whole '09 holiday quarter (bb curve was #1) so it's not unlikely that the Droid was ahead of the iphone in one or both of Nov and Dec 09. I imagine there might be other months where single non-blackberry devices have beaten the iphone.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  Yes, I believe this is the first time a non-iPhone has won the quarter.
  - Steko 14y ago
    Maybe I wasn't clear but Blackberry won most quarters for the first 2 years of iphone. Also: the report was that GS3 "won" US sales in August not the quarter (which isn't over yet). Which may be true but the report looked like it was just counting carrier stores which doesn't necessarily mean they won overall. Whether the GS3 "wins" the quarter seems like a red herring given the iP5 will only have 2 weeks on sale this quarter.