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I think the target audience for a Toyota or Honda (boring but reliable car) isn't very interested in the kind of quality control Tesla has. They're supposed to

I think the target audience for a Toyota or Honda (boring but reliable car) isn't very interested in the kind of quality control Tesla has. They're supposed to make up for that in other features and the unique style of the truck is part of that, in theory.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
The people I see with Model 3 and Y are the ones who came from Camrys and Rav4. Tesla EVs have the most data to support their reliability (at least the 3/Y), and they are clearly very reliable. Plus it costs just as much as a Rav 4, but has tons more torque. And the software is much better even though it lacks Carplay.
- otterley 1y ago
  If Elon’s antics didn’t already turn me off as a Tesla customer, lack of CarPlay support slammed the coffin shut completely.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    I thought that too, and then Toyota wanted $15 per month for remote start and made it seem like they were doing me a favor when I went to buy a car, so I ended up with a Tesla. Ended up not missing Carplay, and it cost $20k less for a car that seats 5 adults and 2 kids.
armadsen 1y ago
I think the current Prius PHEV looks much better than any Tesla right now. (It’s a plugin hybrid not a pure EV, of course.)
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  The current Prius is legitimately cool looking. Hard to believe it’s the same family that had been lampooned for its design for most of its existence.
- neilv 1y ago
  IMHO, Toyota did an awesome job of taking the 2004 Prius funny wedge compact eco-nerd-mobile look (which might have been exactly what it needed at the time), and making it look sleek and modern and powerful. I'm imagining a designer looking at the earlier windshield slant, and knowing they could work with that, and retain references to the iconic earlier design.
  - throwaway173738 1y ago
    Industrial designers are like stage magicians.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  Putting up with PHEV + ancient Toyota tech vs the looks takes a special person.
  - breve 1y ago
    Toyota sold the most cars of any auto group in 2024. They seem to understand the car market.
    - dzhiurgis 1y ago
      They also spent billions trying to destroy EVs. Don't underestimate power of oil and legacy auto's marketing and political influence.
      - breve 1y ago
        Maybe it's more simple. Maybe Toyota just make cars people want to buy.
        dzhiurgis 1y ago
        So you agree $2-3 billion they spend on advertising is a waste of money then?
      - CamperBob2 1y ago
        It had little to do with oil, and a lot to do with their managements' irrational infatuation with hydrogen. Toyota wasted a lot of time and money on that bet, and lost a lot of ground in the market.
        breve 1y ago
        > lost a lot of ground in the market Toyota sells the most cars of any auto maker. What ground was lost? It's clear Toyota has correctly assessed the market. They got it right. As time goes on, BEVs will be a bigger percentage of the cars they sell. In the meantime they'll keep selling the cars they've got, including their current BEVs.

lotsofpulp 1y ago

The people I see with Model 3 and Y are the ones who came from Camrys and Rav4. Tesla EVs have the most data to support their reliability (at least the 3/Y), and they are clearly very reliable. Plus it costs just as much as a Rav 4, but has tons more torque. And the software is much better even though it lacks Carplay.

otterley 1y ago
If Elon’s antics didn’t already turn me off as a Tesla customer, lack of CarPlay support slammed the coffin shut completely.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  I thought that too, and then Toyota wanted $15 per month for remote start and made it seem like they were doing me a favor when I went to buy a car, so I ended up with a Tesla. Ended up not missing Carplay, and it cost $20k less for a car that seats 5 adults and 2 kids.

armadsen 1y ago

I think the current Prius PHEV looks much better than any Tesla right now. (It’s a plugin hybrid not a pure EV, of course.)

cosmic_cheese 1y ago
The current Prius is legitimately cool looking. Hard to believe it’s the same family that had been lampooned for its design for most of its existence.
neilv 1y ago
IMHO, Toyota did an awesome job of taking the 2004 Prius funny wedge compact eco-nerd-mobile look (which might have been exactly what it needed at the time), and making it look sleek and modern and powerful. I'm imagining a designer looking at the earlier windshield slant, and knowing they could work with that, and retain references to the iconic earlier design.
- throwaway173738 1y ago
  Industrial designers are like stage magicians.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
Putting up with PHEV + ancient Toyota tech vs the looks takes a special person.
- breve 1y ago
  Toyota sold the most cars of any auto group in 2024. They seem to understand the car market.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    They also spent billions trying to destroy EVs. Don't underestimate power of oil and legacy auto's marketing and political influence.
    - breve 1y ago
      Maybe it's more simple. Maybe Toyota just make cars people want to buy.
      - dzhiurgis 1y ago
        So you agree $2-3 billion they spend on advertising is a waste of money then?
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      It had little to do with oil, and a lot to do with their managements' irrational infatuation with hydrogen. Toyota wasted a lot of time and money on that bet, and lost a lot of ground in the market.
      - breve 1y ago
        > lost a lot of ground in the market Toyota sells the most cars of any auto maker. What ground was lost? It's clear Toyota has correctly assessed the market. They got it right. As time goes on, BEVs will be a bigger percentage of the cars they sell. In the meantime they'll keep selling the cars they've got, including their current BEVs.