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Toyota has done quite well by maximizing efficiency.

nemomarx 1y ago
I think the target audience for a Toyota or Honda (boring but reliable car) isn't very interested in the kind of quality control Tesla has. They're supposed to make up for that in other features and the unique style of the truck is part of that, in theory.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  The people I see with Model 3 and Y are the ones who came from Camrys and Rav4. Tesla EVs have the most data to support their reliability (at least the 3/Y), and they are clearly very reliable. Plus it costs just as much as a Rav 4, but has tons more torque. And the software is much better even though it lacks Carplay.
  - otterley 1y ago
    If Elon’s antics didn’t already turn me off as a Tesla customer, lack of CarPlay support slammed the coffin shut completely.
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      I thought that too, and then Toyota wanted $15 per month for remote start and made it seem like they were doing me a favor when I went to buy a car, so I ended up with a Tesla. Ended up not missing Carplay, and it cost $20k less for a car that seats 5 adults and 2 kids.
- armadsen 1y ago
  I think the current Prius PHEV looks much better than any Tesla right now. (It’s a plugin hybrid not a pure EV, of course.)
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    The current Prius is legitimately cool looking. Hard to believe it’s the same family that had been lampooned for its design for most of its existence.
  - neilv 1y ago
    IMHO, Toyota did an awesome job of taking the 2004 Prius funny wedge compact eco-nerd-mobile look (which might have been exactly what it needed at the time), and making it look sleek and modern and powerful. I'm imagining a designer looking at the earlier windshield slant, and knowing they could work with that, and retain references to the iconic earlier design.
    - throwaway173738 1y ago
      Industrial designers are like stage magicians.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    Putting up with PHEV + ancient Toyota tech vs the looks takes a special person.
    - breve 1y ago
      Toyota sold the most cars of any auto group in 2024. They seem to understand the car market.
      - dzhiurgis 1y ago
        They also spent billions trying to destroy EVs. Don't underestimate power of oil and legacy auto's marketing and political influence.
        breve 1y ago
        Maybe it's more simple. Maybe Toyota just make cars people want to buy.

I think the target audience for a Toyota or Honda (boring but reliable car) isn't very interested in the kind of quality control Tesla has. They're supposed to make up for that in other features and the unique style of the truck is part of that, in theory.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
The people I see with Model 3 and Y are the ones who came from Camrys and Rav4. Tesla EVs have the most data to support their reliability (at least the 3/Y), and they are clearly very reliable. Plus it costs just as much as a Rav 4, but has tons more torque. And the software is much better even though it lacks Carplay.
- otterley 1y ago
  If Elon’s antics didn’t already turn me off as a Tesla customer, lack of CarPlay support slammed the coffin shut completely.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    I thought that too, and then Toyota wanted $15 per month for remote start and made it seem like they were doing me a favor when I went to buy a car, so I ended up with a Tesla. Ended up not missing Carplay, and it cost $20k less for a car that seats 5 adults and 2 kids.
armadsen 1y ago
I think the current Prius PHEV looks much better than any Tesla right now. (It’s a plugin hybrid not a pure EV, of course.)
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  The current Prius is legitimately cool looking. Hard to believe it’s the same family that had been lampooned for its design for most of its existence.
- neilv 1y ago
  IMHO, Toyota did an awesome job of taking the 2004 Prius funny wedge compact eco-nerd-mobile look (which might have been exactly what it needed at the time), and making it look sleek and modern and powerful. I'm imagining a designer looking at the earlier windshield slant, and knowing they could work with that, and retain references to the iconic earlier design.
  - throwaway173738 1y ago
    Industrial designers are like stage magicians.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  Putting up with PHEV + ancient Toyota tech vs the looks takes a special person.
  - breve 1y ago
    Toyota sold the most cars of any auto group in 2024. They seem to understand the car market.
    - dzhiurgis 1y ago
      They also spent billions trying to destroy EVs. Don't underestimate power of oil and legacy auto's marketing and political influence.
      - breve 1y ago
        Maybe it's more simple. Maybe Toyota just make cars people want to buy.