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They haven’t released anything decent since the Model 3, which was a massive success. It’s baffling to me that they’re now betting the company on robotics, rath

They haven’t released anything decent since the Model 3, which was a massive success. It’s baffling to me that they’re now betting the company on robotics, rather than improving and extending their existing lineup of cars.

CharlesW 1y ago
The Model 3 was released in 2017 (!).
johnnyanmac 1y ago
I know the Cybertruck as a "release" is stretching it, but it technically did release. Prematurely, 100%. But it's out there. The QC on the Cybertruck pretty much shows why they lost their brand power over the years, though. Even when ignoring the politics.
- amluto 1y ago
  I’m waiting for owners to discover water damage in the equipment under the hood liner: Cybertruck’s lack a scuttle/cowl/gutter [0] to collect and divert water from the bottom of the windshield. Basically every car ever has one, except the Cybertruck. This isn’t a QC problem — it’s just poor design. [0] I’m not sure anyone agrees what it’s called.
  - wilg 1y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they simply solved this problem a different way.
- masklinn 1y ago
  The cybertruck cleared “released”, what it failed is “decent”. > The QC Was never Tesla’s forte.
DoesntMatter22 1y ago
The model Y is the best selling car in the world, so this statement doesn't really make sense
- kurttheviking 1y ago
  I thought the Rav4 had been outpacing it for awhile now. (Plus, that's also artificially limiting total vehicle sales which are, unsurprisingly, still trucks.)
- metadat 1y ago
  You already mentioned that 2 minutes ago in the same submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45176460 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45176460 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please consider what your commentary adds to the discussion before posting, repetition detracts from thread quality. Thanks!
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    Pot calling the kettle black.
  - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
    Don't see anything about what you mention being in the guidelines at all. Please point out what rule you are referring to. Thanks!
- 48snickers 1y ago
  No, it’s not anymore. https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/ https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/
BLKNSLVR 1y ago
Tesla's focus on robotics feels like Meta's focus on AR: Waaay ahead of time. I may be proven wrong, but until then I'll point to ~ten years of FSD promises.
- tim333 1y ago
  They seem to be making similar mistakes in trying to build stuff from sci-fi rather than what works in the real world. I mean industrial robots have been a thing for ages and domestic roomba type ones are becoming popular but humanoid is a bit of a sci-fi thing. Similarly collaborative virtual worlds like Fortnite are a big hit ($20bn+ revenue) but not Meta's attempt to do the Snow Crash fictional thing. There's no reason really why robots have to be humanoid, or that you have to interact with virtual worlds by strapping the screen on your face.
wilg 1y ago
The Model Y is an incredible car, way more than decent. Unfortunately Elon is a fascist traitor so I cannot upgrade it, and no one else makes anything half as good.
- andriesm 1y ago
  I love this comment. I've also been in similar conundrums with products vs my values, but I have made a rule to limit how much I'm willing to deprive myself in service of values.
bdangubic 1y ago
they are not betting the company on robotics, they just needed something to keep the crazies buying stock now that full “self” driving fantasy is over :)
TheOtherHobbes 1y ago
Musk is now reliably erratic. He's convinced his dramas are entertaining, and he's playing it all for the attention and the lulz. None of that makes him a credible or even a competent CEO. Considering that Tesla's P/E is the highest in the S&P 500, and is 3.5X higher than the next company in the list, it's been hinted that Tesla's valuation is coming from - cough - alternative sources and isn't a sensible estimate of potential earnings. Mocking conventional investors seems very much the current MO, just as much as mocking customers. So I don't care what he's betting the company on. Tesla is now a drama for the sake of drama stock, and anyone who is expecting it to produce credible products may want to reconsider that possibility.

CharlesW 1y ago

The Model 3 was released in 2017 (!).

johnnyanmac 1y ago

I know the Cybertruck as a "release" is stretching it, but it technically did release. Prematurely, 100%. But it's out there. The QC on the Cybertruck pretty much shows why they lost their brand power over the years, though. Even when ignoring the politics.

amluto 1y ago
I’m waiting for owners to discover water damage in the equipment under the hood liner: Cybertruck’s lack a scuttle/cowl/gutter [0] to collect and divert water from the bottom of the windshield. Basically every car ever has one, except the Cybertruck. This isn’t a QC problem — it’s just poor design. [0] I’m not sure anyone agrees what it’s called.
- wilg 1y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they simply solved this problem a different way.
masklinn 1y ago
The cybertruck cleared “released”, what it failed is “decent”. > The QC Was never Tesla’s forte.

DoesntMatter22 1y ago

The model Y is the best selling car in the world, so this statement doesn't really make sense

kurttheviking 1y ago
I thought the Rav4 had been outpacing it for awhile now. (Plus, that's also artificially limiting total vehicle sales which are, unsurprisingly, still trucks.)
metadat 1y ago
You already mentioned that 2 minutes ago in the same submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45176460 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45176460 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please consider what your commentary adds to the discussion before posting, repetition detracts from thread quality. Thanks!
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  Pot calling the kettle black.
- DoesntMatter22 1y ago
  Don't see anything about what you mention being in the guidelines at all. Please point out what rule you are referring to. Thanks!
48snickers 1y ago
No, it’s not anymore. https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/ https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/

BLKNSLVR 1y ago

Tesla's focus on robotics feels like Meta's focus on AR: Waaay ahead of time. I may be proven wrong, but until then I'll point to ~ten years of FSD promises.

tim333 1y ago
They seem to be making similar mistakes in trying to build stuff from sci-fi rather than what works in the real world. I mean industrial robots have been a thing for ages and domestic roomba type ones are becoming popular but humanoid is a bit of a sci-fi thing. Similarly collaborative virtual worlds like Fortnite are a big hit ($20bn+ revenue) but not Meta's attempt to do the Snow Crash fictional thing. There's no reason really why robots have to be humanoid, or that you have to interact with virtual worlds by strapping the screen on your face.

wilg 1y ago

The Model Y is an incredible car, way more than decent. Unfortunately Elon is a fascist traitor so I cannot upgrade it, and no one else makes anything half as good.

andriesm 1y ago
I love this comment. I've also been in similar conundrums with products vs my values, but I have made a rule to limit how much I'm willing to deprive myself in service of values.

bdangubic 1y ago

they are not betting the company on robotics, they just needed something to keep the crazies buying stock now that full “self” driving fantasy is over :)

TheOtherHobbes 1y ago

Musk is now reliably erratic. He's convinced his dramas are entertaining, and he's playing it all for the attention and the lulz. None of that makes him a credible or even a competent CEO. Considering that Tesla's P/E is the highest in the S&P 500, and is 3.5X higher than the next company in the list, it's been hinted that Tesla's valuation is coming from - cough - alternative sources and isn't a sensible estimate of potential earnings. Mocking conventional investors seems very much the current MO, just as much as mocking customers. So I don't care what he's betting the company on. Tesla is now a drama for the sake of drama stock, and anyone who is expecting it to produce credible products may want to reconsider that possibility.