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just a copypasta i particularly like. It's a checklist i don't know which ones apply here, but it's likely that at least one does.

dzhiurgis 1y ago
This joke was funny a decade ago. EVs have been practical for ages now. See how well early model Teslas fared. Some people doing 1-2 million miles. 300k miles is not uncommon. You don't need revolutionary batteries (similarly you don't need next generation nuclear plants, ordinary ones create so immense amount of wealth for generations). Batteries improved like 10-15% since early Teslas. Similarly motor/aero/electronics efficiency. Overall 30% gain in range. If right charge infrastructure it's perfectly enough for 99% of passenger cars.
- simondotau 1y ago
  It was funny a decade ago, now it’s no longer funny… but it’s still completely relevant. Battery bullshit is still as prevalent as ever. Toyota, for example, is seemingly trying to outdo Musk’s “self driving next year” claims with their own “solid state batteries next year” claims. Toyota have been making these promises for nearly a decade now, and it looks like Musk’s lies will come true before Toyota ever ships a single solid state battery to a customer.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    Yes I remember Toyota was meant to announce solid state batteries in 2020 Olympics lol
  - blackoil 1y ago
    It is relevant for tech announcement not product launch. You'll be able to buy it in couple of months and test it yourself.
    - simondotau 1y ago
      When it comes to new battery tech, I treat “shipping tomorrow” as identical to “our engineers came up with a crazy new idea yesterday”. They have even been some next-gen battery products that actually launched and actually got reviewed by “legitimate“ YouTubers, and later turned out to be not as advertised. As far as I’m concerned, it’s all bullshit until it’s in the hands of independent labs.
toomuchtodo 1y ago
More than half of vehicles sold in China currently are battery electric or plug in hybrids. Similar for 25% of global vehicle sales as of this year. Batteries have already won, it’s just how fast they scale up that’s up for discussion. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-car-sales-hit-2025-122600130.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-car-sales-hit-2025-1226... https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-electric-vehicle-sales-set-for-record-breaking-year-even-as-us-market-slows-sharply-bloombergnef-finds/ https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-elect... https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2025/9/4/electric-vehicle-adoption-around-the-globe https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftpor...
dyauspitr 1y ago
It’s a copy pasta from 2017, a lot has changed.
DennisP 1y ago
I guess this part applies: > by this time it ships li-ion advances will match it But the reason it applies is that this new battery is a li-ion advance so it only has to match itself.

dzhiurgis 1y ago

This joke was funny a decade ago. EVs have been practical for ages now. See how well early model Teslas fared. Some people doing 1-2 million miles. 300k miles is not uncommon. You don't need revolutionary batteries (similarly you don't need next generation nuclear plants, ordinary ones create so immense amount of wealth for generations). Batteries improved like 10-15% since early Teslas. Similarly motor/aero/electronics efficiency. Overall 30% gain in range. If right charge infrastructure it's perfectly enough for 99% of passenger cars.

simondotau 1y ago
It was funny a decade ago, now it’s no longer funny… but it’s still completely relevant. Battery bullshit is still as prevalent as ever. Toyota, for example, is seemingly trying to outdo Musk’s “self driving next year” claims with their own “solid state batteries next year” claims. Toyota have been making these promises for nearly a decade now, and it looks like Musk’s lies will come true before Toyota ever ships a single solid state battery to a customer.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  Yes I remember Toyota was meant to announce solid state batteries in 2020 Olympics lol
- blackoil 1y ago
  It is relevant for tech announcement not product launch. You'll be able to buy it in couple of months and test it yourself.
  - simondotau 1y ago
    When it comes to new battery tech, I treat “shipping tomorrow” as identical to “our engineers came up with a crazy new idea yesterday”. They have even been some next-gen battery products that actually launched and actually got reviewed by “legitimate“ YouTubers, and later turned out to be not as advertised. As far as I’m concerned, it’s all bullshit until it’s in the hands of independent labs.

toomuchtodo 1y ago

More than half of vehicles sold in China currently are battery electric or plug in hybrids. Similar for 25% of global vehicle sales as of this year. Batteries have already won, it’s just how fast they scale up that’s up for discussion. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-car-sales-hit-2025-122600130.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-car-sales-hit-2025-1226... https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-electric-vehicle-sales-set-for-record-breaking-year-even-as-us-market-slows-sharply-bloombergnef-finds/ https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-elect... https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2025/9/4/electric-vehicle-adoption-around-the-globe https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftpor...

dyauspitr 1y ago

It’s a copy pasta from 2017, a lot has changed.

DennisP 1y ago

I guess this part applies: > by this time it ships li-ion advances will match it But the reason it applies is that this new battery is a li-ion advance so it only has to match itself.