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Again, politics aside, I just find the lineup boring. Every model outside the Cybertruck looks like a ten year old car. Even the refresh of the model Y is still
by rcdemski 1y ago
Again, politics aside, I just find the lineup boring. Every model outside the Cybertruck looks like a ten year old car. Even the refresh of the model Y is still reskinning a design language started with the Model S, but with any interesting soul stripped out to reduce cost.
The nerd in me loves the technology, particularly behind the scenes features of the Cybertruck like 48v architecture. In the end I want to drive something that feels like it has a soul and substance. Teslas lineup right now is not that.
- rayiner 1y agoMy wife thinks they all look like jellybeans. Tesla makes them like that to maximize efficiency, and they’re still #1 on that metric, but people don’t care about that.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoToyota has done quite well by maximizing efficiency.
- nemomarx 1y agoI think the target audience for a Toyota or Honda (boring but reliable car) isn't very interested in the kind of quality control Tesla has. They're supposed to make up for that in other features and the unique style of the truck is part of that, in theory.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoThe people I see with Model 3 and Y are the ones who came from Camrys and Rav4. Tesla EVs have the most data to support their reliability (at least the 3/Y), and they are clearly very reliable. Plus it costs just as much as a Rav 4, but has tons more torque. And the software is much better even though it lacks Carplay.
- otterley 1y agoIf Elon’s antics didn’t already turn me off as a Tesla customer, lack of CarPlay support slammed the coffin shut completely.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoI thought that too, and then Toyota wanted $15 per month for remote start and made it seem like they were doing me a favor when I went to buy a car, so I ended up with a Tesla. Ended up not missing Carplay, and it cost $20k less for a car that seats 5 adults and 2 kids.
- armadsen 1y agoI think the current Prius PHEV looks much better than any Tesla right now. (It’s a plugin hybrid not a pure EV, of course.)
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoThe current Prius is legitimately cool looking. Hard to believe it’s the same family that had been lampooned for its design for most of its existence.
- neilv 1y agoIMHO, Toyota did an awesome job of taking the 2004 Prius funny wedge compact eco-nerd-mobile look (which might have been exactly what it needed at the time), and making it look sleek and modern and powerful. I'm imagining a designer looking at the earlier windshield slant, and knowing they could work with that, and retain references to the iconic earlier design.
- throwaway173738 1y agoIndustrial designers are like stage magicians.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoPutting up with PHEV + ancient Toyota tech vs the looks takes a special person.
- DoesntMatter22 1y agoI don't know the model y is the best selling car in the world so it seems like it worked pretty well
- morleytj 1y agoIs it? I thought it was overtaken by the RAV4 a while back.
- mh- 1y agoAnd if we're including the RAV4, then you probably also need to include Chevy and Ford's pickup offerings, which would also be far ahead of any Tesla. (And yes, a quick google confirms[0] the RAV4 is ahead of any Tesla offering this year.) [0]: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars-2025/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars... edit: see replies, this is US-only.
- sqrt_1 1y agoLooking at your link, it seems to be US only stats? Best selling in 2024 world wide was Model Y even including trucks? https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-worlds-best-selling-cars-from-2024/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-worlds-best-sell...
- mh- 1y agoInteresting. I can't see the source for the data in your link (it cites Statista, but that's just a graph and requires a subscription to see the source data.) Not saying it's wrong (I have no idea, that's why I googled), but would be interesting to know. edit: but also, you're right that I inadvertently looked at US-only data. I did say it was a quick Google. :) Edited my original comment.
- breve 1y agoThe RAV4 outsold it in 2024: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/felipe-munoz-carindustryanalysis_carindustryanalysis-felipemunoz-automotive-activity-7343853518803382272-WLM9/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/felipe-munoz-carindustryanaly... The more interesting stat is that Toyota has 5 of the top 10 best selling cars.
- SoftTalker 1y agoAll cars made in the last 20 years look like that. It’s wind tunnel design, there’s only one optimal overall shape that a car can have.
- hyperadvanced 1y agoI have seen this described as “looksmaxxing for cars” and I can’t unsee it now.
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- tomjakubowski 1y agoit's effiencymaxxing. automotive looksmaxxing peaked in the 80s, the decade when new car designs looked the best
- jacquesm 1y agoCitroen DS, Jaguar e-type, Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale, MB Gullwing, BMW 507 and a whole raft of other 50's, 60's and 70's cars look much better than anything that I even remember designed in the 80's. Of course that's just my opinion, but those cars are so iconic, do you have any particular cars in mind for that period which you really liked?
- dragontamer 1y agoThe new Prius has a similar coefficient of drag as a Tesla Model 3 but the Prius manages to look a LOT better.
- tromp 1y agoThe 2024 Prius has a drag coefficient of 0.27 (slightly worse than the previous generation's 0.26), which compares poorly with the Model 3's 0.22.
- radpanda 1y agoMy understanding is that the Lucid Air Pure is more efficient than Tesla’s offerings, but yes, Teslas have tended to be more efficient than compliance BEVs and a lot of other efforts from legacy automakers.
- tromp 1y agoWith a coefficient of 0.219, they're not even in the top 10 on that metric. China seems to be making the most aerodynamic cars now: 0.191 Dongfeng Xinghai S7 0.194 XPeng Mona M03 0.195 Xiaomi SU7 Pro 0.197 Lucid Air Pure I'm looking forward to the Mona coming to Europe next year https://cnevpost.com/2025/09/09/xpeng-launch-mona-series-europe-2026/ https://cnevpost.com/2025/09/09/xpeng-launch-mona-series-eur...
- Fomite 1y agoThis. None of them make me go "Damn, that's a good looking car..." any more than a number of others. The Cybertruck is just am embarrassment, design wise.
- stirfish 1y agoI wonder if the politics will impact the designs in the long run, as Tesla becomes a less desirable place to work
- somedude895 1y ago[flagged]
- brewdad 1y agoWith every insane X post Musk makes we get closer to where having Tesla on your resume is a black mark the same way folks are judging Meta employees in the other thread. When the politics are that front and center, it becomes a real liability to the company.
- hyperadvanced 1y agoOTOH, Cybertruck is one of the only original car designs in modern memory. It’s dumb as hell, but I like it. That said, I have no idea who it’s for, I wouldn’t buy one. But I respect them for designing such a ridiculous vehicle, and for it actually being able to sell, albeit somewhat poorly compared to expectations. I say all of this as a recent $TSLA bear with a healthy short position.
- bdangubic 1y agoshorting TSLA is never smart because TSLA investors are not driven by any rhyme or reason. Elon is the greatest salesman to ever live and people have been buying his sh*t for decade+ now. if TSLA was a reasonable company investment-wise I would mortgage my house to short the shit out of it :)
- jerlam 1y agoIf Teslas were durable, built well, easily repairable, with strong aftermarket support, I would applaud them for sticking with the same bland design instead of endlessly tweaking it like every other car and tech company in a misguided effort to stay "fresh". However the opposite has occurred where Teslas appear to be bland, poorly made, and unrepairable.