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Or you know, get a password manager like the rest of us. If your password manager doesn't show the usual autofill, since the domain is different than it should,

by diggan 1y ago

Or you know, get a password manager like the rest of us. If your password manager doesn't show the usual autofill, since the domain is different than it should, take a step back and validate everything before moving on. Have the TOTP in the same/another password manager (after considering the tradeoffs) and that can also not be entered unless the domain is right :)

cataflam 1y ago
I mostly agree and I do use one. You only need read the whole thread however to see reasons why this would sometimes not be enough: sometimes the password manager does not auto-fill, so the user can think it's one of those cases, or they're on mobile and they don't have the extension there, or... As a matter of fact, he does use one, that didn't save him, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45175125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45175125
- eviks 1y ago
  > sometimes the password manager does not auto-fill So pick one that does? That's like its top 2 feature > he does use one He doesn't since he has no autofill installed, so loses the key security+ convenience benefit of automatch
  - y1n0 1y ago
    He didn't say it didn't have the autofill feature, he said sometimes it doesn't work. I've experienced this pretty routinely with two different managers.
    - eviks 1y ago
      Yes he did, read again > I was mobile, the autofill stuff isn't installed
  - acdha 1y ago
    > So pick one that does? That's like its top 2 feature Still doesn’t work 100% of the time, because half of the companies on earth demote their developer time to breaking 1995-level forms. That’s why every popular password manager has a way to fill passwords for other domains, why people learn to use that feature, and why phishers have learned to convince people to use that feature. WebAuthn prevents phishing. Password managers reduce it. This is the difference between being bulletproof like Superman or a guy in a vest.
    - sunaookami 1y ago
      Then good password managers will still show you only the logins for that domain. If the login is on another domain then you would have saved it anyways when first logging in/registering and if the site moved then you can get suspicious and check carefully first.
      - voxic11 1y ago
        What are good password managers for chrome and Firefox on Android?
        Ghoelian 1y ago
        Personally a big fan of 1Password. On the topic of autofill, the only website it sometimes won't fill is Reddit, which you know, whatever, I never go there anymore anyway. As a developer I also love their ssh and gpg integrations, very handy. I do get it for free from work, but if I had to choose one myself I'd have to pay for I'd probably still pick 1Passwrod.
        mdaniel 1y ago
        > I do get it for free from work, but if I had to choose one myself I'd have to pay for I'd probably still pick 1Passwrod. I wanted to highlight that "getting it for free from work" isn't a sweetheart deal offered just to OP, but a feature of 1Password for Teams, meaning all employees of a business that uses 1Password automatically have a Family license for use at home https://support.1password.com/link-family/ https://support.1password.com/link-family/ And, for clarity, it's merely a financial relationship: the business cannot manage your Family account, cannot see its contents, and if you have a separation event you can retain the Family account forever in a read only capacity or you can take over the payment (or, heh, I presume move to another employer that also uses 1Password) and nothing changes for your home passwords
  - voxic11 1y ago
    Mobile autofill requires you to make other security compromises.
    - eviks 1y ago
      Which ones, and how do they compare to this one?
SchemaLoad 1y ago
I feel like it's extremely common for the autofill to not work for various reasons even when you aren't being phished. I have to manually select the site to fill fairly often, especially inside apps where the password manager doesn't seem to match the app to the website password. Passkeys seem like the best solution here where you physically can not fall for a phishing attack.
- vaylian 1y ago
  > I feel like it's extremely common for the autofill to not work for various reasons even when you aren't being phished. This is how Troy Hunt got phished. He was already very tired after a long flight, but his internal alarm bells didn't ring loud enough, when the password manager didn't fill in the credentials. He was already used to autofill not always working.
  - junon 1y ago
    This is why I haven't bothered with them (the browser extensions; I have used password managers for years and years) and thus why they weren't there to protect against the attack.
- diggan 1y ago
  > I feel like it's extremely common for the autofill to not work for various reasons even when you aren't being phished I dunno, it mostly seems to not work when companies change their field names/IDs, or just 3rd party authentication, then you need to manually add domains. Otherwise my password manager (1Password) works everywhere where I have an account, except my previous bank which was stuck in the 90s and disallowed pasting the passwords. If you find that your password manager doesn't work with most websites (since it's "extremely common") you might want to look into a different one, even Firefox+Linux combo works extremely well with 1Password. Not affiliated, just a happy years+ user. > Passkeys seem like the best solution here where you physically can not fall for a phishing attack. Yeah, I've looked into Passkeys but without any migration strategy or import/export support (WIP last time I looked into it), it's not really an alternative just yet, at least for me personally. I have to be 100% sure I can move things when the time ultimately comes for that.
FooBarWidget 1y ago
I wish it's that easy. 1Password autofill on Android Chrome broke for me a month ago. Installed all updates, checked settings, still nothing. Back to phishing prone copy paste.

by diggan 1y ago

cataflam 1y ago

I mostly agree and I do use one. You only need read the whole thread however to see reasons why this would sometimes not be enough: sometimes the password manager does not auto-fill, so the user can think it's one of those cases, or they're on mobile and they don't have the extension there, or... As a matter of fact, he does use one, that didn't save him, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45175125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45175125

eviks 1y ago
> sometimes the password manager does not auto-fill So pick one that does? That's like its top 2 feature > he does use one He doesn't since he has no autofill installed, so loses the key security+ convenience benefit of automatch
- y1n0 1y ago
  He didn't say it didn't have the autofill feature, he said sometimes it doesn't work. I've experienced this pretty routinely with two different managers.
  - eviks 1y ago
    Yes he did, read again > I was mobile, the autofill stuff isn't installed
- acdha 1y ago
  > So pick one that does? That's like its top 2 feature Still doesn’t work 100% of the time, because half of the companies on earth demote their developer time to breaking 1995-level forms. That’s why every popular password manager has a way to fill passwords for other domains, why people learn to use that feature, and why phishers have learned to convince people to use that feature. WebAuthn prevents phishing. Password managers reduce it. This is the difference between being bulletproof like Superman or a guy in a vest.
  - sunaookami 1y ago
    Then good password managers will still show you only the logins for that domain. If the login is on another domain then you would have saved it anyways when first logging in/registering and if the site moved then you can get suspicious and check carefully first.
    - voxic11 1y ago
      What are good password managers for chrome and Firefox on Android?
      - Ghoelian 1y ago
        Personally a big fan of 1Password. On the topic of autofill, the only website it sometimes won't fill is Reddit, which you know, whatever, I never go there anymore anyway. As a developer I also love their ssh and gpg integrations, very handy. I do get it for free from work, but if I had to choose one myself I'd have to pay for I'd probably still pick 1Passwrod.
        mdaniel 1y ago
        > I do get it for free from work, but if I had to choose one myself I'd have to pay for I'd probably still pick 1Passwrod. I wanted to highlight that "getting it for free from work" isn't a sweetheart deal offered just to OP, but a feature of 1Password for Teams, meaning all employees of a business that uses 1Password automatically have a Family license for use at home https://support.1password.com/link-family/ https://support.1password.com/link-family/ And, for clarity, it's merely a financial relationship: the business cannot manage your Family account, cannot see its contents, and if you have a separation event you can retain the Family account forever in a read only capacity or you can take over the payment (or, heh, I presume move to another employer that also uses 1Password) and nothing changes for your home passwords
- voxic11 1y ago
  Mobile autofill requires you to make other security compromises.
  - eviks 1y ago
    Which ones, and how do they compare to this one?

SchemaLoad 1y ago

I feel like it's extremely common for the autofill to not work for various reasons even when you aren't being phished. I have to manually select the site to fill fairly often, especially inside apps where the password manager doesn't seem to match the app to the website password. Passkeys seem like the best solution here where you physically can not fall for a phishing attack.

vaylian 1y ago
> I feel like it's extremely common for the autofill to not work for various reasons even when you aren't being phished. This is how Troy Hunt got phished. He was already very tired after a long flight, but his internal alarm bells didn't ring loud enough, when the password manager didn't fill in the credentials. He was already used to autofill not always working.
- junon 1y ago
  This is why I haven't bothered with them (the browser extensions; I have used password managers for years and years) and thus why they weren't there to protect against the attack.
diggan 1y ago
> I feel like it's extremely common for the autofill to not work for various reasons even when you aren't being phished I dunno, it mostly seems to not work when companies change their field names/IDs, or just 3rd party authentication, then you need to manually add domains. Otherwise my password manager (1Password) works everywhere where I have an account, except my previous bank which was stuck in the 90s and disallowed pasting the passwords. If you find that your password manager doesn't work with most websites (since it's "extremely common") you might want to look into a different one, even Firefox+Linux combo works extremely well with 1Password. Not affiliated, just a happy years+ user. > Passkeys seem like the best solution here where you physically can not fall for a phishing attack. Yeah, I've looked into Passkeys but without any migration strategy or import/export support (WIP last time I looked into it), it's not really an alternative just yet, at least for me personally. I have to be 100% sure I can move things when the time ultimately comes for that.

FooBarWidget 1y ago

I wish it's that easy. 1Password autofill on Android Chrome broke for me a month ago. Installed all updates, checked settings, still nothing. Back to phishing prone copy paste.