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I don't watch Youtube, but my young kid loves to watch screaming Minecraft morons pretend to scare themselves. I've been growing increasingly concerned by the

by flax 1y ago

I don't watch Youtube, but my young kid loves to watch screaming Minecraft morons pretend to scare themselves. I've been growing increasingly concerned by the ads he's incidentally seeing and was just yesterday looking at giving in and subscribing to a premium. There's a normal premium for $14 and a premium "lite" for $8. I'd have subscribed at $1/month, but those prices are absolutely insane. Instead, I installed revanced on his tablet. For free.

arcanemachiner 1y ago
Google's finally cracking down on the adblocker scene, so enjoy Revanced while it lasts.
kelnos 1y ago
I don't have kids of my own, but I'm generally concerned about some of the advertising kids are exposed to these days (as seen through friends and family with kids). At the risk of viewing my own childhood with rose-tinted glasses, it seems much worse today. The main source of ads back then were TV and newspaper, and while neither were "perfect" at this, they both seemed to have much higher standards for what kinds of ads to allow than platforms do today. Whenever I see my (9-year-old) nephew watching YouTube on their TV at home, I get a little horrified at some of the ads he's exposed to. But this has been normalized throughout his childhood, so it seems unremarkable to him, and his parents seem to be desensitized to it as well. I suppose some of this is bias on my part: I aggressively avoid exposing myself to advertising, using in-browser ad blocking, network-level ad-blocking, and OS-level DNS VPN-based ad-blocking on my phone. Whenever offered, I always pay for the service tier (like YouTube Premium) that removes ads. I get that this could get expensive real fast for a lot of people, and isn't feasible. (But I know a lot of people who don't even install browser ad-blockers, which is just baffling to me.) But that's the big problem... people are being forced to choose between an uncomfortable level of financial expense, and paying for things with their attention, where that attention is being exploited with deeper and deeper psychological manipulation that has been fine-tuned over the span of decades. On the occasion I do see an ad (especially a video ad), my reaction to it is so viscerally negative that I mute audio and look away, even sometimes shutting it down entirely.
- teaearlgraycold 1y ago
  What kinds of ads do you see that are horrifying?
fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
Feels like I'm in the twilight zone here. A few minutes of my pay per month for my kid to not be bombarded with bullshit ads seems like a good deal to me.
- dingnuts 1y ago
  why is it required that children have access to YouTube? I'm not that old and we went long stretches with no TV in our household because we didn't have the money for it. It was fine. I'm fine. I didn't turn out normal but it was for a lot of other reasons. Read a book, kid. $14/mo is a lot just for brainrot so you can listen to your kid shout "skibidi Ohio sigma rizz" all the time
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    Extremely little in life is required but that's rarely related to what defines a good (or bad) deal worth taking.
  - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
    On the other hand I had unlimited video games which boomers were certain was going to doom me, yet it was fine, and I'm fine. My kid's watch less YouTube than I played NHL 93 at their age tbh. > $14/mo is a lot just for brainrot so you can listen to your kid shout "skibidi Ohio sigma rizz" all the time They'll get that from school, most of them aren't watching a YouTube vid and inventing culture, they're just picking it up. Like every other generation
teaearlgraycold 1y ago
For me I feel $5/month would be pretty reasonable. But $14 is out of control. Some of my friends however are subscribed at that price and consider it money well spent.
- pkulak 1y ago
  I watch lots of YouTube. $14 is fine. I have several other streaming video subscriptions I'd cancel before YouTube.
- coldpie 1y ago
  Netflix is $18. Hulu is $19. Paramount Plus is $13. YouTube is in line with its competitors.
- platevoltage 1y ago
  It's money well spent for me. It's the only "streaming service" I use. I've also heard multiple creators say that they get more out of a Premium view than an ad supported one.
monkeywork 1y ago
To manage my child’s online viewing, I remove YouTube from all of his devices and instead use Pinchflat[1] to automatically download videos from a curated list of pre‑approved channels. We periodically explore YouTube together to discover new content aligned with his interests, which I then add to the list. Pinchflat retrieves new uploads within hours and automatically deletes them after a set period. The videos are stored locally and made available through Plex, Emby, or Jellyfin for remote access. This approach eliminates ads and algorithm‑driven recommendations while giving me full control over content, though it requires some setup, ongoing management, and storage capacity. [1]https://github.com/kieraneglin/pinchflat https://github.com/kieraneglin/pinchflat
teiferer 1y ago
> There's a normal premium for $14 and a premium "lite" for $8. I'd have subscribed at $1/month, but those prices are absolutely insane This just demonstrates how much money is in those ads and how much Youtube needs to charge to compensate for that. And advertisers wouldn't pay that much if it wasn't at least somewhat worth it, i.e., the psychological manupulation is worth at least that much w.r.t. their bottom line. The average person therefore "pays" with $14 worth of brainwashing. You could obviously argue that $14 is just a ripoff and they don't make that much money off you. Sure you are not average and perhaps less influenced than others, but fun fact, a large majority of people believe that about themselves. By the way, Youtube Premium still collects your data and uses it. Without that, it would need to be even more expensive.

by flax 1y ago

arcanemachiner 1y ago

Google's finally cracking down on the adblocker scene, so enjoy Revanced while it lasts.

kelnos 1y ago

I don't have kids of my own, but I'm generally concerned about some of the advertising kids are exposed to these days (as seen through friends and family with kids). At the risk of viewing my own childhood with rose-tinted glasses, it seems much worse today. The main source of ads back then were TV and newspaper, and while neither were "perfect" at this, they both seemed to have much higher standards for what kinds of ads to allow than platforms do today. Whenever I see my (9-year-old) nephew watching YouTube on their TV at home, I get a little horrified at some of the ads he's exposed to. But this has been normalized throughout his childhood, so it seems unremarkable to him, and his parents seem to be desensitized to it as well. I suppose some of this is bias on my part: I aggressively avoid exposing myself to advertising, using in-browser ad blocking, network-level ad-blocking, and OS-level DNS VPN-based ad-blocking on my phone. Whenever offered, I always pay for the service tier (like YouTube Premium) that removes ads. I get that this could get expensive real fast for a lot of people, and isn't feasible. (But I know a lot of people who don't even install browser ad-blockers, which is just baffling to me.) But that's the big problem... people are being forced to choose between an uncomfortable level of financial expense, and paying for things with their attention, where that attention is being exploited with deeper and deeper psychological manipulation that has been fine-tuned over the span of decades. On the occasion I do see an ad (especially a video ad), my reaction to it is so viscerally negative that I mute audio and look away, even sometimes shutting it down entirely.

teaearlgraycold 1y ago
What kinds of ads do you see that are horrifying?

fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago

Feels like I'm in the twilight zone here. A few minutes of my pay per month for my kid to not be bombarded with bullshit ads seems like a good deal to me.

dingnuts 1y ago
why is it required that children have access to YouTube? I'm not that old and we went long stretches with no TV in our household because we didn't have the money for it. It was fine. I'm fine. I didn't turn out normal but it was for a lot of other reasons. Read a book, kid. $14/mo is a lot just for brainrot so you can listen to your kid shout "skibidi Ohio sigma rizz" all the time
- zamadatix 1y ago
  Extremely little in life is required but that's rarely related to what defines a good (or bad) deal worth taking.
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
  On the other hand I had unlimited video games which boomers were certain was going to doom me, yet it was fine, and I'm fine. My kid's watch less YouTube than I played NHL 93 at their age tbh. > $14/mo is a lot just for brainrot so you can listen to your kid shout "skibidi Ohio sigma rizz" all the time They'll get that from school, most of them aren't watching a YouTube vid and inventing culture, they're just picking it up. Like every other generation

teaearlgraycold 1y ago

For me I feel $5/month would be pretty reasonable. But $14 is out of control. Some of my friends however are subscribed at that price and consider it money well spent.

pkulak 1y ago
I watch lots of YouTube. $14 is fine. I have several other streaming video subscriptions I'd cancel before YouTube.
coldpie 1y ago
Netflix is $18. Hulu is $19. Paramount Plus is $13. YouTube is in line with its competitors.
platevoltage 1y ago
It's money well spent for me. It's the only "streaming service" I use. I've also heard multiple creators say that they get more out of a Premium view than an ad supported one.

monkeywork 1y ago

To manage my child’s online viewing, I remove YouTube from all of his devices and instead use Pinchflat[1] to automatically download videos from a curated list of pre‑approved channels. We periodically explore YouTube together to discover new content aligned with his interests, which I then add to the list. Pinchflat retrieves new uploads within hours and automatically deletes them after a set period. The videos are stored locally and made available through Plex, Emby, or Jellyfin for remote access. This approach eliminates ads and algorithm‑driven recommendations while giving me full control over content, though it requires some setup, ongoing management, and storage capacity. [1]https://github.com/kieraneglin/pinchflat https://github.com/kieraneglin/pinchflat

teiferer 1y ago

> There's a normal premium for $14 and a premium "lite" for $8. I'd have subscribed at $1/month, but those prices are absolutely insane This just demonstrates how much money is in those ads and how much Youtube needs to charge to compensate for that. And advertisers wouldn't pay that much if it wasn't at least somewhat worth it, i.e., the psychological manupulation is worth at least that much w.r.t. their bottom line. The average person therefore "pays" with $14 worth of brainwashing. You could obviously argue that $14 is just a ripoff and they don't make that much money off you. Sure you are not average and perhaps less influenced than others, but fun fact, a large majority of people believe that about themselves. By the way, Youtube Premium still collects your data and uses it. Without that, it would need to be even more expensive.