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This would be damning for every politician except Trump and those close to him.

bediger4000 1y ago
You've mentioned something unique about Trump. What you wrote is true, beyond doubt, but the question is "why Trump?" Explanations I can dream up are unsatisfying.
- glhaynes 1y ago
  The best theory I can come up with is that we had no immunity to someone who is just utterly shameless and never even considers apologizing. Every scandalous story helps him because it makes people forget about the one from a few days ago. Turns out that’s a superpower in early 21st century America.
  - twixfel 1y ago
    That's not an explanation, though. Why are the American people so weak to someone so uniquely awful, evil, mentally disabled and morally degenerate? Is it replicable? Can the next gigabastard just not care too, and the Americans will fall in line? Or does it die with him? What is it about Trump and what it is about Americans? It's hard for me as a foreign admirer of the USA not to conclude that a small majority of Americans are fundamentally quite venal and nasty. To think that I used to believe that shit Reagan said about the US being a city on a hill! Crazy.
    - rsynnott 1y ago
      Musk kind of does a similar thing, and it _kind_ of works for him, but not as well as it works for Trump. It's a bit of an oddity, alright.
      - n4r9 1y ago
        I can think of several reasons why the US public finds Trump more appealing. Trump is a US national born and bred, whilst Musk was born in South Africa and holds Canadian as well as US citizenship. Trump absolutely nails populist rhetoric, whilst Musk is nerdy and aloof. Trump describes himself as chosen by God and vows to bring religion back to America, whilst Musk is nuanced and cagey about religion. Trump has celeb certification with his appearances on The Apprentice and WWE, whilst Musk tends to avoid mainstream media.
    - bediger4000 1y ago
      Your first paragraph is exactly right in it's questions. Depending on how successful Trump ultimately is, will his successor be able to continue. Your 2nd paragraph is hard for me, a US citizen, to see. Reagan was in fact a complete faker and a liar. US religious leaders are also fakers and liars.
      - twixfel 1y ago
        I am not invested in Reagan’s legacy by any means. I only wished to communicate that I am, or was, very far from being anti American.
    - jfengel 1y ago
      Your second paragraph is right on the money. The difference now is that prior politicians had at least some interest in actually governing the country. That limited just how viciously they could engage with their political opponents. There was never any golden age of collegiality, to be sure, but even people like Newt Gingrich wanted to at least try running the country in between political campaigns. And yet there's no immediately apparent runner-up gigabastard. All of the politicians, even Trump's most dedicated sycophants, are still hampered by the notion of wanting to actually run the nation. It doesn't work without a 100% commitment to smashing your enemies. If you let the conversation drift to figuring out valid policies, people lose attention, and realize that you're an idiot. None of the other tech-bros seem to have it, either. If Musk or Zuckerberg or Bezos run for office, they're going to discover that people don't actually like them. They're smart enough to think that they can actually talk about policy, and nobody really likes policy. They want simplistic, vacuous solutions. Musk has the requisite cruelty to distract people from that, but he's not enough of a buffoon to really entertain the far right.
lawn 1y ago
We went past that point years ago. For Obama people went crazy because he wore a tan suit. But when Trump lies, grifts, cheats, or sexually assaults women (and children) people defends him. This is truly how a cult operates.

You've mentioned something unique about Trump. What you wrote is true, beyond doubt, but the question is "why Trump?" Explanations I can dream up are unsatisfying.

glhaynes 1y ago
The best theory I can come up with is that we had no immunity to someone who is just utterly shameless and never even considers apologizing. Every scandalous story helps him because it makes people forget about the one from a few days ago. Turns out that’s a superpower in early 21st century America.
- twixfel 1y ago
  That's not an explanation, though. Why are the American people so weak to someone so uniquely awful, evil, mentally disabled and morally degenerate? Is it replicable? Can the next gigabastard just not care too, and the Americans will fall in line? Or does it die with him? What is it about Trump and what it is about Americans? It's hard for me as a foreign admirer of the USA not to conclude that a small majority of Americans are fundamentally quite venal and nasty. To think that I used to believe that shit Reagan said about the US being a city on a hill! Crazy.
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    Musk kind of does a similar thing, and it _kind_ of works for him, but not as well as it works for Trump. It's a bit of an oddity, alright.
    - n4r9 1y ago
      I can think of several reasons why the US public finds Trump more appealing. Trump is a US national born and bred, whilst Musk was born in South Africa and holds Canadian as well as US citizenship. Trump absolutely nails populist rhetoric, whilst Musk is nerdy and aloof. Trump describes himself as chosen by God and vows to bring religion back to America, whilst Musk is nuanced and cagey about religion. Trump has celeb certification with his appearances on The Apprentice and WWE, whilst Musk tends to avoid mainstream media.
  - bediger4000 1y ago
    Your first paragraph is exactly right in it's questions. Depending on how successful Trump ultimately is, will his successor be able to continue. Your 2nd paragraph is hard for me, a US citizen, to see. Reagan was in fact a complete faker and a liar. US religious leaders are also fakers and liars.
    - twixfel 1y ago
      I am not invested in Reagan’s legacy by any means. I only wished to communicate that I am, or was, very far from being anti American.
  - jfengel 1y ago
    Your second paragraph is right on the money. The difference now is that prior politicians had at least some interest in actually governing the country. That limited just how viciously they could engage with their political opponents. There was never any golden age of collegiality, to be sure, but even people like Newt Gingrich wanted to at least try running the country in between political campaigns. And yet there's no immediately apparent runner-up gigabastard. All of the politicians, even Trump's most dedicated sycophants, are still hampered by the notion of wanting to actually run the nation. It doesn't work without a 100% commitment to smashing your enemies. If you let the conversation drift to figuring out valid policies, people lose attention, and realize that you're an idiot. None of the other tech-bros seem to have it, either. If Musk or Zuckerberg or Bezos run for office, they're going to discover that people don't actually like them. They're smart enough to think that they can actually talk about policy, and nobody really likes policy. They want simplistic, vacuous solutions. Musk has the requisite cruelty to distract people from that, but he's not enough of a buffoon to really entertain the far right.

lawn 1y ago

We went past that point years ago. For Obama people went crazy because he wore a tan suit. But when Trump lies, grifts, cheats, or sexually assaults women (and children) people defends him. This is truly how a cult operates.