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>If you are an employee of a company, you have a duty to do what the company wants you to. It is frustrating how these things are always discussed. "The compa

by slg 1y ago

>If you are an employee of a company, you have a duty to do what the company wants you to. It is frustrating how these things are always discussed. "The company" is used to deflect blame on any individual as if "the company" is some organism that acts of its own free will. When "the company" makes an immoral request of you, a person is doing that. You can respond to that person by telling them "no". In my experience, I have found this effective. And if I ever run into a situation in which it wasn't effective, that isn't the type of place I would want to work anyway. Sure, this is a stance somewhat made out of the privilege of the financial security my career has provided me, but the original company being discussed here is Meta, the average person making these decisions is likely much better off than me.

btilly 1y ago
> It is frustrating how these things are always discussed. I did not discuss things in the way that you say you are frustrated with. If I had, then I wouldn't have said that your duty to the company will sometimes meet a higher duty. Or that you have the option of leaving the company if you do not agree with what it is doing. Or that I've actually done so. Try giving it a closer read. In the end I'm defending capitalism as a lesser evil. And not saying that it justifies doing bad things.
- slg 1y ago
  You said "you have a duty to do what the company wants you to". "The company" doesn't have "wants". Maybe you have a duty to do what your boss wants, but assigning those wants to "the company" is perfectly in line with the type of behavior I was criticizing.
  - btilly 1y ago
    Assuredly you have encountered the idea that an organization with a culture, incentive structure, and specific financial incentives, will act sufficiently like a living being that people find it helpful to talk about it as one. While understanding the actual complexity of what is going on. Apparently you've chosen to willfully refuse to understand what others mean when they such language. The result of which is a guaranteed miscommunication, and your ability to insist to yourself that you're right. I will not bother attempting to discuss this further. If you choose to not understand why it is that organizations frequently and predictably act in ways that are not under the control of any individual within them, that is your prerogative. If you refuse to understand the kinds of language that people usually use to convey that idea, that's up to you.
    - slg 1y ago
      What a weird response. You went from denying that you were discussing things this way to saying I'm willfully ignorant for not discussing things this way.

by slg 1y ago

btilly 1y ago

> It is frustrating how these things are always discussed. I did not discuss things in the way that you say you are frustrated with. If I had, then I wouldn't have said that your duty to the company will sometimes meet a higher duty. Or that you have the option of leaving the company if you do not agree with what it is doing. Or that I've actually done so. Try giving it a closer read. In the end I'm defending capitalism as a lesser evil. And not saying that it justifies doing bad things.

slg 1y ago
You said "you have a duty to do what the company wants you to". "The company" doesn't have "wants". Maybe you have a duty to do what your boss wants, but assigning those wants to "the company" is perfectly in line with the type of behavior I was criticizing.
- btilly 1y ago
  Assuredly you have encountered the idea that an organization with a culture, incentive structure, and specific financial incentives, will act sufficiently like a living being that people find it helpful to talk about it as one. While understanding the actual complexity of what is going on. Apparently you've chosen to willfully refuse to understand what others mean when they such language. The result of which is a guaranteed miscommunication, and your ability to insist to yourself that you're right. I will not bother attempting to discuss this further. If you choose to not understand why it is that organizations frequently and predictably act in ways that are not under the control of any individual within them, that is your prerogative. If you refuse to understand the kinds of language that people usually use to convey that idea, that's up to you.
  - slg 1y ago
    What a weird response. You went from denying that you were discussing things this way to saying I'm willfully ignorant for not discussing things this way.