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I wonder if Zuck has always been this unethical or if he’s grown into it more through the years. Even in the personal domain he seems horrible eg stealing Kauai

by bix6 1y ago

I wonder if Zuck has always been this unethical or if he’s grown into it more through the years. Even in the personal domain he seems horrible eg stealing Kauai birthright land for his mega mansion.

torben-friis 1y ago
Remember Facebook’s original use? I guess that’s an answer.
- bix6 1y ago
  yeah but I consider that more weird / pathetic vs this which is blatantly anti-ethical
  - realz 1y ago
    They have one goal: $$ Haven’t we learned that ethics are subjective.
    - bix6 1y ago
      I’m struggling to see a subjective version of this that is ethical? Profit maximizing sure but that’s not ethical if you’re knowingly harming others. So I guess you’re helping your shareholders which is the ethical thing to do since the benefit to them outweighs the harm to the kids?
      - realz 1y ago
        A lot of people failed to see Hitler’s point of view as well. That didn’t stop the trains though. One can never tell what twisted logic they’re using to justify their actions.
  - ergsef 1y ago
    I think this reflects on a lifetime of highlighting "think of the children" versus abusing women, stalking, etc. being swept under the rug. "Creepy" behaviour towards someone can actually deprive them of a sense of safety and cause permanent harm. As a culture we downplay that as weird or silly instead of scary and invasive.
- realz 1y ago
  A house built on weak foundation is bound to fall, or at least tilt.
pkphilip 1y ago
Zuck was known to log the passwords from failed login attempts and then secretly use these passwords to log into their emails. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/99tnok/til_that_mark_zuckerberg_used_failed_login/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/99tnok/til_t... Yes, the chap is a real piece of work.
- bix6 1y ago
  O man I forgot about that one. True class.
- mgh2 1y ago
  Why was this post deleted and labeled "(R.5) Misleading"? Do you have the original source?
jlarocco 1y ago
I'm pretty sure he's always been. https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/ https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/
neilv 1y ago
Given that Zuckerberg is a public figure with a lot of power over the world, and there's some scandals at least on his watch, I suppose that some speculation about relevant aspects of private life is appropriate. Obviously there were some youthful things that looked bad, and they came back up under scrutiny. Though who hasn't said things that sounded bad, or made mistakes that they regret and wouldn't make again. Years ago, I saw him and his wife on the street, and they just seemed normal, no evil aura. I would guess that maybe his wife has been a relatively positive influence, and at least took the edge off of whatever influences may have been involved in earlier mistakes. Of course, now it's presumably not just earlier influences, and those of current friends and family, but also the influences that tend to happen with wealth and power. I haven't paid enough attention to know whether or how much wealth and power affected Zuckerberg in particular, but I default assume it's a risk with anyone in such a position. I've also started to wonder about side effects of whatever health supplements that a lot of the newly-buff tech billionaires seem to be taking. For example, are some decisions and scandals actually steroid-influenced? (And, for at least one of the other billionaires, there's also non-health drugs, combined with chronic sleep deficit, which can't be good for the individual, nor for anyone under their power.)
at-fates-hands 1y ago
>> Even in the personal domain he seems horrible eg stealing Kauai birthright land for his mega mansion. Marc Benioff has done the same thing: https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/40583/Climate-Activist-And-Liberal-Billionaire-Quietly-Gobbles-Up-Rural-Land-In-Hawaii https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/40583/Clima... “When you have the locals getting priced out of towns like this and more challenges with people moving over here, it just creates more competition in terms of trying to buy land,” one local resident told NPR anonymously. “At what point does Hawaii not become Hawaii anymore, if no Hawaiians are here?”
- bix6 1y ago
  O nice did he also sue people to steal their Kuleana land? Classic billionaire move.

by bix6 1y ago

torben-friis 1y ago

Remember Facebook’s original use? I guess that’s an answer.

bix6 1y ago
yeah but I consider that more weird / pathetic vs this which is blatantly anti-ethical
- realz 1y ago
  They have one goal: $$ Haven’t we learned that ethics are subjective.
  - bix6 1y ago
    I’m struggling to see a subjective version of this that is ethical? Profit maximizing sure but that’s not ethical if you’re knowingly harming others. So I guess you’re helping your shareholders which is the ethical thing to do since the benefit to them outweighs the harm to the kids?
    - realz 1y ago
      A lot of people failed to see Hitler’s point of view as well. That didn’t stop the trains though. One can never tell what twisted logic they’re using to justify their actions.
- ergsef 1y ago
  I think this reflects on a lifetime of highlighting "think of the children" versus abusing women, stalking, etc. being swept under the rug. "Creepy" behaviour towards someone can actually deprive them of a sense of safety and cause permanent harm. As a culture we downplay that as weird or silly instead of scary and invasive.
realz 1y ago
A house built on weak foundation is bound to fall, or at least tilt.

pkphilip 1y ago

Zuck was known to log the passwords from failed login attempts and then secretly use these passwords to log into their emails. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/99tnok/til_that_mark_zuckerberg_used_failed_login/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/99tnok/til_t... Yes, the chap is a real piece of work.

bix6 1y ago
O man I forgot about that one. True class.
mgh2 1y ago
Why was this post deleted and labeled "(R.5) Misleading"? Do you have the original source?

jlarocco 1y ago

I'm pretty sure he's always been. https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/ https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

neilv 1y ago

Given that Zuckerberg is a public figure with a lot of power over the world, and there's some scandals at least on his watch, I suppose that some speculation about relevant aspects of private life is appropriate. Obviously there were some youthful things that looked bad, and they came back up under scrutiny. Though who hasn't said things that sounded bad, or made mistakes that they regret and wouldn't make again. Years ago, I saw him and his wife on the street, and they just seemed normal, no evil aura. I would guess that maybe his wife has been a relatively positive influence, and at least took the edge off of whatever influences may have been involved in earlier mistakes. Of course, now it's presumably not just earlier influences, and those of current friends and family, but also the influences that tend to happen with wealth and power. I haven't paid enough attention to know whether or how much wealth and power affected Zuckerberg in particular, but I default assume it's a risk with anyone in such a position. I've also started to wonder about side effects of whatever health supplements that a lot of the newly-buff tech billionaires seem to be taking. For example, are some decisions and scandals actually steroid-influenced? (And, for at least one of the other billionaires, there's also non-health drugs, combined with chronic sleep deficit, which can't be good for the individual, nor for anyone under their power.)

at-fates-hands 1y ago

>> Even in the personal domain he seems horrible eg stealing Kauai birthright land for his mega mansion. Marc Benioff has done the same thing: https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/40583/Climate-Activist-And-Liberal-Billionaire-Quietly-Gobbles-Up-Rural-Land-In-Hawaii https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/40583/Clima... “When you have the locals getting priced out of towns like this and more challenges with people moving over here, it just creates more competition in terms of trying to buy land,” one local resident told NPR anonymously. “At what point does Hawaii not become Hawaii anymore, if no Hawaiians are here?”

bix6 1y ago
O nice did he also sue people to steal their Kuleana land? Classic billionaire move.