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I'll give my own interpretation. Not that I love Teams, but the alternative in a dinosaur corporation is basically email. 1) WebEx and the open source chat th

by axus 1y ago

I'll give my own interpretation. Not that I love Teams, but the alternative in a dinosaur corporation is basically email. 1) WebEx and the open source chat that Oracle appropriated. Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. 2) Searching the Exchange corporate directory. BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? 4) Ha! Imagine the nightmares for the person linking Atlassian and Teams. 5) Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless.

dijit 1y ago
> 1) WebEx and the open source chat that Oracle appropriated. Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. Ok, then I can see why Teams ranks among them. I would invite you to try something like Zulip or Mattermost but I think ignorance is bliss and you should avoid knowing about anything that could be better. Your mind might do this for you (rejection) but best not to tempt fate. > 2) Searching the Exchange corporate directory. BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. Appreciate the list, the only one of these that's Teams specific is searching a corp directory. Do you use the "Teams" functionality, or do you use the chat exclusively? > 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? Yes, it's very slow. It's also very slow from laptops, the best "Teams experience" I've ever seen has been in GameDev where we all ran Windows 7 on dodecacore CPUs with 128-256G of DDR4. It was still slower than Slack on my macbook air though. > 4) Ha! Imagine the nightmares for the person linking Atlassian and Teams. Yeah, people do. People also use Excel from within Teams. Writing bots for Teams is a special nightmare, but webhooks can work. > 5) Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless. Do you spend a lot of your day face-to-face or more of your day in Teams? Do you find yourself arranging meetings to sync rather than using the chat functionality? Do you find that people have to ask around a lot to get an answer and then ask again later when it's forgotten, or can they find their answer in history?
- masfuerte 1y ago
  Is native Teams on Linux still a thing? I had it installed but the package disappeared from the MS repository. I currently use the web version.
  - dijit 1y ago
    Quite right, it seems that Teams for Linux is discontinued. Guess this means I wont' get to run Teams in the company I'm joining, which is doing all its security attestation via Microsoft; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839
    - vondur 1y ago
      The web version runs fine in a chromium based browser.
      - inetknght 1y ago
        It also refuses to run well in non-Chromium-based browsers. Yet more vendor lock-in.
        wkat4242 1y ago
        Yes even when I log into Outlook M365 from Firefox on Linux it's constantly kicking me out. Every time I get back to my computer it gives me this passive agressive "Please hold on while we're signing you out..." when I never asked to sign out. Grrrr. I also notice it works way better in firefox if you set the user agent to Edge on windows. Some features which are broken in firefox suddenly work totally fine. Which reinforces my belief that they are simply doing this to bully people into using Edge.
  - jabl 1y ago
    There is a PWA you can install, with it's own icon and everything. Yes, it's a not-even-glorified-web-browser, but meh, it works (for some definition of works).
mr_toad 1y ago
> 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple Unfortunately. Teams is just as performant on MacOS/iOS as it is on Windows.
- lenkite 1y ago
  Teams is a React App. Teams classic uses Electron - so perf was identical. The New Teams uses native platform web-view, so mileage may slightly vary. Still a React App, though. sighs.
- javcasas 1y ago
  Teams works better in a browser window in Linux where if it hogs too much CPU Cromium pulls the plug. That's how I run it.
inetknght 1y ago
> Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. I've used both Teams and Zoom (and others). Honestly, I'd rather use Zoom instead of Teams. > BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. Status is settable by just about any competitor to Teams. Slack and Zoom both can set your current status. Embedding pictures and files is also not unique to Teams. Obfuscated links? Just a matter of time before Microsoft changes that to some microsoft link for a "vulnerability scanner" and then charges the company for the privilege to block random things it doesn't understand how to scan. > Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? Yes / technically yes (not supported any more) > Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless. Slack and Zoom are better at all of these.
- dctoedt 1y ago
  Zoom FTW, big-time.
- dijit 1y ago
  I wouldn’t say Zoom is better to be honest with you, for just meetings the UX of Teams is pretty bad but the UX of Zoom is almost as bad; there’s not much in it. Last time I checked Zoom was a pig on resources and required a weird background worker- and you couldn't even send files.
andrewflnr 1y ago
> Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? I can tell you I've successfully been in Teams video conferences from my Linux desktop, in the browser. I was surprised too.

by axus 1y ago

dijit 1y ago

> 1) WebEx and the open source chat that Oracle appropriated. Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. Ok, then I can see why Teams ranks among them. I would invite you to try something like Zulip or Mattermost but I think ignorance is bliss and you should avoid knowing about anything that could be better. Your mind might do this for you (rejection) but best not to tempt fate. > 2) Searching the Exchange corporate directory. BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. Appreciate the list, the only one of these that's Teams specific is searching a corp directory. Do you use the "Teams" functionality, or do you use the chat exclusively? > 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? Yes, it's very slow. It's also very slow from laptops, the best "Teams experience" I've ever seen has been in GameDev where we all ran Windows 7 on dodecacore CPUs with 128-256G of DDR4. It was still slower than Slack on my macbook air though. > 4) Ha! Imagine the nightmares for the person linking Atlassian and Teams. Yeah, people do. People also use Excel from within Teams. Writing bots for Teams is a special nightmare, but webhooks can work. > 5) Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless. Do you spend a lot of your day face-to-face or more of your day in Teams? Do you find yourself arranging meetings to sync rather than using the chat functionality? Do you find that people have to ask around a lot to get an answer and then ask again later when it's forgotten, or can they find their answer in history?

masfuerte 1y ago
Is native Teams on Linux still a thing? I had it installed but the package disappeared from the MS repository. I currently use the web version.
- dijit 1y ago
  Quite right, it seems that Teams for Linux is discontinued. Guess this means I wont' get to run Teams in the company I'm joining, which is doing all its security attestation via Microsoft; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839
  - vondur 1y ago
    The web version runs fine in a chromium based browser.
    - inetknght 1y ago
      It also refuses to run well in non-Chromium-based browsers. Yet more vendor lock-in.
      - wkat4242 1y ago
        Yes even when I log into Outlook M365 from Firefox on Linux it's constantly kicking me out. Every time I get back to my computer it gives me this passive agressive "Please hold on while we're signing you out..." when I never asked to sign out. Grrrr. I also notice it works way better in firefox if you set the user agent to Edge on windows. Some features which are broken in firefox suddenly work totally fine. Which reinforces my belief that they are simply doing this to bully people into using Edge.
- jabl 1y ago
  There is a PWA you can install, with it's own icon and everything. Yes, it's a not-even-glorified-web-browser, but meh, it works (for some definition of works).

mr_toad 1y ago

> 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple Unfortunately. Teams is just as performant on MacOS/iOS as it is on Windows.

lenkite 1y ago
Teams is a React App. Teams classic uses Electron - so perf was identical. The New Teams uses native platform web-view, so mileage may slightly vary. Still a React App, though. sighs.
javcasas 1y ago
Teams works better in a browser window in Linux where if it hogs too much CPU Cromium pulls the plug. That's how I run it.

inetknght 1y ago

> Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. I've used both Teams and Zoom (and others). Honestly, I'd rather use Zoom instead of Teams. > BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. Status is settable by just about any competitor to Teams. Slack and Zoom both can set your current status. Embedding pictures and files is also not unique to Teams. Obfuscated links? Just a matter of time before Microsoft changes that to some microsoft link for a "vulnerability scanner" and then charges the company for the privilege to block random things it doesn't understand how to scan. > Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? Yes / technically yes (not supported any more) > Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless. Slack and Zoom are better at all of these.

dctoedt 1y ago
Zoom FTW, big-time.
dijit 1y ago
I wouldn’t say Zoom is better to be honest with you, for just meetings the UX of Teams is pretty bad but the UX of Zoom is almost as bad; there’s not much in it. Last time I checked Zoom was a pig on resources and required a weird background worker- and you couldn't even send files.

andrewflnr 1y ago

> Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? I can tell you I've successfully been in Teams video conferences from my Linux desktop, in the browser. I was surprised too.