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Really? Teams?? We went teams abd microsoft ecosystem fully because we needed extra windows management stuff as we have grown and users had software that requir

Really? Teams?? We went teams abd microsoft ecosystem fully because we needed extra windows management stuff as we have grown and users had software that required windows and excel and the biggest pain point has been teams. As near as i can tell it tries to do everythibg wrong and the things that are so blindingly obvious that it can't do them wrong, it finds a way to do them suboptimally

ocdtrekkie 1y ago
I would never invent a lie as implausible as this. Yes, there are fans of Microsoft Teams. They're out there and they make decisions.
- CamelCaseName 1y ago
  I... I like Teams...
  - dijit 1y ago
    So, in the spirit of intellectual curiousity, and I will avoid making any judgements in any of my responses, I have 5 questions: 1) Have you ever been exposed to alternative communicators? 2) What features do you enjoy about teams 3) What platform are you using it from (Windows Desktop / Laptop? What spec) 4) Have you ever written a bot or integration? 5) Can you take me through a very brief working day for you, with a focus on collaborating with others.. (file sharing, online chats, IRL chats, meetings?)
    - axus 1y ago
      I'll give my own interpretation. Not that I love Teams, but the alternative in a dinosaur corporation is basically email. 1) WebEx and the open source chat that Oracle appropriated. Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. 2) Searching the Exchange corporate directory. BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? 4) Ha! Imagine the nightmares for the person linking Atlassian and Teams. 5) Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless.
      - dijit 1y ago
        > 1) WebEx and the open source chat that Oracle appropriated. Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. Ok, then I can see why Teams ranks among them. I would invite you to try something like Zulip or Mattermost but I think ignorance is bliss and you should avoid knowing about anything that could be better. Your mind might do this for you (rejection) but best not to tempt fate. > 2) Searching the Exchange corporate directory. BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. Appreciate the list, the only one of these that's Teams specific is searching a corp directory. Do you use the "Teams" functionality, or do you use the chat exclusively? > 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? Yes, it's very slow. It's also very slow from laptops, the best "Teams experience" I've ever seen has been in GameDev where we all ran Windows 7 on dodecacore CPUs with 128-256G of DDR4. It was still slower than Slack on my macbook air though. > 4) Ha! Imagine the nightmares for the person linking Atlassian and Teams. Yeah, people do. People also use Excel from within Teams. Writing bots for Teams is a special nightmare, but webhooks can work. > 5) Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless. Do you spend a lot of your day face-to-face or more of your day in Teams? Do you find yourself arranging meetings to sync rather than using the chat functionality? Do you find that people have to ask around a lot to get an answer and then ask again later when it's forgotten, or can they find their answer in history?
        masfuerte 1y ago
        Is native Teams on Linux still a thing? I had it installed but the package disappeared from the MS repository. I currently use the web version.
        dijit 1y ago
        Quite right, it seems that Teams for Linux is discontinued. Guess this means I wont' get to run Teams in the company I'm joining, which is doing all its security attestation via Microsoft; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839
    - d0100 1y ago
      Teams is fine, especially as others are so expensive for small non-US shops We already have to bite the bullet and pay for office, at least we get free chat I wish Teams integrated better with Github Issues/PR, but it works well as a company-wide chat
      - dijit 1y ago
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        close04 1y ago
        I thought it was “intellectual curiosity” but it turns out it was a segway into insisting with your own preferences and eventually when being contradicted by others with their own needs and preferences, becoming plain insulting. Will leave your words here for reference: > I think ignorance is bliss and you should avoid knowing about anything that could be better. Your mind might do this for you (rejection) but best not to tempt fate. There’s nothing intellectual about fake curiosity, passive aggressive remarks, or insistently pushing your opinion just for the sake of sounding smarter than the next guy.
        dijit 1y ago
        I was curious about why someone would have a preference, what does Teams serve that alternatives do not. But you blanket claimed its fine, its not fine. I won’t work in a company that forces me to use Teams- its a good proxy for how they think about internal communications and how they feel about staff. You can claim what you want, I was curious, but don’t come in here telling people its ok to use teams- we’ve established that his options were fucking WebEx- which is also not fine.
        close04 1y ago
        > you blanket claimed its fine You’re talking to different people and didn’t even care. This is not fine. > which is also not fine You act like your word is law. Which is also not fine. You shouldn’t need someone on the internet reminding you of this.
  - SoftTalker 1y ago
    Yeah, it's fine. It's apps in a browser. It basically works. It's as good as anything else I've tried.
  - fhars 1y ago
    Teams brings back a sense of adventure into boring online meetings since you never know what works subtly different than id did last week and who will be made to act the clown due to strange glitches. Poor mac users.
- ecshafer 1y ago
  The only way you could be a fan of teams is if you've only ever had to use stuff like cisco connect or lotus notes chat. It really is just terrible. Teams on my window laptop makes the fan go more than running a pretty massive compute cluster, its crazy how non performant it is.
  - kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
    Something is misconfigured on your machine or you have corporate spyware like Carbon Black driving up processor load.
    - ecshafer 1y ago
      Theres definitely corpo spyware. Id never use windows on my own machines. Using windows and wsl is just path of least resistance right now.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Maybe, but teams is really, really, really non-performant. Its actually kind of impressive of dog shit slow it is. To be fair, zoom is somewhat slow too. Not to start up, but joining a meeting is like 5-10 second delay. Lord help you if you turn on your webcam.
gotbeans 1y ago
You didn't really say much of what does it do wrong or right, you seem to just try to convey a for-granted idea. I've been an msft employee for a couple of years and teams... Was ok. I prefer slack, but meetings, video, messaging, formatting, etc. was just fine in teams.
- spogbiper 1y ago
  i agree. teams is "ok", for my purposes at least. don't really understand the hate it gets in certain forums
- pohuing 1y ago
  There's a bunch of annoyances in teams. The text editor is awful if you try to paste/send code for one. The screen sharing is shit by default and only lets one person share at a time for no good reason. It's fairly slow. And it doesn't have a global fucking hot key for push to talk/muting. Despite being integrated with the damn task bar(which is broken if you're on hold in one call and active in another, then it's too stupid to figure out that the mute button is intended to mute my active call, not the one that's on hold...). Also the teams feature gets out of your way, which is an issue if you're trying to use it like you would channels in discord or slack. Would be nice to at least have a notification pip there.
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    > And it doesn't have a global fucking hot key for push to talk/muting. It's control-space. It is global on Windows as far as I know. Unfortunately you can't change it because I would love to have a single key I don't normally use assigned to it. I use a Mac keyboard with 19 function keys so there's plenty that I would never touch. I agree with all the other criticism by the way, it's a messy slow clusterf*k.
    - pohuing 1y ago
      I hate to be like this, but no it's not(at least not on my windows 10/11 work laptop). It is not active globally, the Teams window containing the call has to be active(on my system). And it would be a problem if it was, as ctrl shift is the default binding for show suggestions in IntelliJ and Rider. All of the following you've already mentioned but I forgot you mentioning them in my rage at MS. Figuring out if I'm holding it wrong or not revealed another silly issue however: the push to talk button is hard coded to ctrl space, unlike other keybinds it doesn't show up in the keybinds dialog.

ocdtrekkie 1y ago

I would never invent a lie as implausible as this. Yes, there are fans of Microsoft Teams. They're out there and they make decisions.

CamelCaseName 1y ago
I... I like Teams...
- dijit 1y ago
  So, in the spirit of intellectual curiousity, and I will avoid making any judgements in any of my responses, I have 5 questions: 1) Have you ever been exposed to alternative communicators? 2) What features do you enjoy about teams 3) What platform are you using it from (Windows Desktop / Laptop? What spec) 4) Have you ever written a bot or integration? 5) Can you take me through a very brief working day for you, with a focus on collaborating with others.. (file sharing, online chats, IRL chats, meetings?)
  - axus 1y ago
    I'll give my own interpretation. Not that I love Teams, but the alternative in a dinosaur corporation is basically email. 1) WebEx and the open source chat that Oracle appropriated. Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. 2) Searching the Exchange corporate directory. BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? 4) Ha! Imagine the nightmares for the person linking Atlassian and Teams. 5) Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless.
    - dijit 1y ago
      > 1) WebEx and the open source chat that Oracle appropriated. Fortunately Zoom came and went too quickly. Ok, then I can see why Teams ranks among them. I would invite you to try something like Zulip or Mattermost but I think ignorance is bliss and you should avoid knowing about anything that could be better. Your mind might do this for you (rejection) but best not to tempt fate. > 2) Searching the Exchange corporate directory. BASIC features: status, embedding pictures, attaching files that Outlook would block. Sharing links that aren't obfuscated. Appreciate the list, the only one of these that's Teams specific is searching a corp directory. Do you use the "Teams" functionality, or do you use the chat exclusively? > 3) Can you even run Teams from Apple / Linux? Yes, it's very slow. It's also very slow from laptops, the best "Teams experience" I've ever seen has been in GameDev where we all ran Windows 7 on dodecacore CPUs with 128-256G of DDR4. It was still slower than Slack on my macbook air though. > 4) Ha! Imagine the nightmares for the person linking Atlassian and Teams. Yeah, people do. People also use Excel from within Teams. Writing bots for Teams is a special nightmare, but webhooks can work. > 5) Group texts, file shares, voice calls, recorded meetings. Meetings with groups from other companies is almost painless. Do you spend a lot of your day face-to-face or more of your day in Teams? Do you find yourself arranging meetings to sync rather than using the chat functionality? Do you find that people have to ask around a lot to get an answer and then ask again later when it's forgotten, or can they find their answer in history?
      - masfuerte 1y ago
        Is native Teams on Linux still a thing? I had it installed but the package disappeared from the MS repository. I currently use the web version.
        dijit 1y ago
        Quite right, it seems that Teams for Linux is discontinued. Guess this means I wont' get to run Teams in the company I'm joining, which is doing all its security attestation via Microsoft; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839
  - d0100 1y ago
    Teams is fine, especially as others are so expensive for small non-US shops We already have to bite the bullet and pay for office, at least we get free chat I wish Teams integrated better with Github Issues/PR, but it works well as a company-wide chat
    - dijit 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - close04 1y ago
        I thought it was “intellectual curiosity” but it turns out it was a segway into insisting with your own preferences and eventually when being contradicted by others with their own needs and preferences, becoming plain insulting. Will leave your words here for reference: > I think ignorance is bliss and you should avoid knowing about anything that could be better. Your mind might do this for you (rejection) but best not to tempt fate. There’s nothing intellectual about fake curiosity, passive aggressive remarks, or insistently pushing your opinion just for the sake of sounding smarter than the next guy.
        dijit 1y ago
        I was curious about why someone would have a preference, what does Teams serve that alternatives do not. But you blanket claimed its fine, its not fine. I won’t work in a company that forces me to use Teams- its a good proxy for how they think about internal communications and how they feel about staff. You can claim what you want, I was curious, but don’t come in here telling people its ok to use teams- we’ve established that his options were fucking WebEx- which is also not fine.
        close04 1y ago
        > you blanket claimed its fine You’re talking to different people and didn’t even care. This is not fine. > which is also not fine You act like your word is law. Which is also not fine. You shouldn’t need someone on the internet reminding you of this.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Yeah, it's fine. It's apps in a browser. It basically works. It's as good as anything else I've tried.
- fhars 1y ago
  Teams brings back a sense of adventure into boring online meetings since you never know what works subtly different than id did last week and who will be made to act the clown due to strange glitches. Poor mac users.
ecshafer 1y ago
The only way you could be a fan of teams is if you've only ever had to use stuff like cisco connect or lotus notes chat. It really is just terrible. Teams on my window laptop makes the fan go more than running a pretty massive compute cluster, its crazy how non performant it is.
- kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
  Something is misconfigured on your machine or you have corporate spyware like Carbon Black driving up processor load.
  - ecshafer 1y ago
    Theres definitely corpo spyware. Id never use windows on my own machines. Using windows and wsl is just path of least resistance right now.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Maybe, but teams is really, really, really non-performant. Its actually kind of impressive of dog shit slow it is. To be fair, zoom is somewhat slow too. Not to start up, but joining a meeting is like 5-10 second delay. Lord help you if you turn on your webcam.

gotbeans 1y ago

You didn't really say much of what does it do wrong or right, you seem to just try to convey a for-granted idea. I've been an msft employee for a couple of years and teams... Was ok. I prefer slack, but meetings, video, messaging, formatting, etc. was just fine in teams.

spogbiper 1y ago
i agree. teams is "ok", for my purposes at least. don't really understand the hate it gets in certain forums
pohuing 1y ago
There's a bunch of annoyances in teams. The text editor is awful if you try to paste/send code for one. The screen sharing is shit by default and only lets one person share at a time for no good reason. It's fairly slow. And it doesn't have a global fucking hot key for push to talk/muting. Despite being integrated with the damn task bar(which is broken if you're on hold in one call and active in another, then it's too stupid to figure out that the mute button is intended to mute my active call, not the one that's on hold...). Also the teams feature gets out of your way, which is an issue if you're trying to use it like you would channels in discord or slack. Would be nice to at least have a notification pip there.
- wkat4242 1y ago
  > And it doesn't have a global fucking hot key for push to talk/muting. It's control-space. It is global on Windows as far as I know. Unfortunately you can't change it because I would love to have a single key I don't normally use assigned to it. I use a Mac keyboard with 19 function keys so there's plenty that I would never touch. I agree with all the other criticism by the way, it's a messy slow clusterf*k.
  - pohuing 1y ago
    I hate to be like this, but no it's not(at least not on my windows 10/11 work laptop). It is not active globally, the Teams window containing the call has to be active(on my system). And it would be a problem if it was, as ctrl shift is the default binding for show suggestions in IntelliJ and Rider. All of the following you've already mentioned but I forgot you mentioning them in my rage at MS. Figuring out if I'm holding it wrong or not revealed another silly issue however: the push to talk button is hard coded to ctrl space, unlike other keybinds it doesn't show up in the keybinds dialog.