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Because people in the West have been indoctrinated to trust their governments far too much to an unhealthy degree to actually think that maybe their government
by FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Because people in the West have been indoctrinated to trust their governments far too much to an unhealthy degree to actually think that maybe their government doesn't have their best interest at heart and to start protesting.
And also because they're in the trap of a government provided cushy lifestyle which the government can terminate at will without violence (de-banking, de-pensioning, de-uneployment, de-social housing, etc) if they're caught protesting. People in underdeveloped countries don't have anything more to loose anyway but their chains.
- myrmidon 1y ago> Because people in the West have been indoctrinated to trust their governments far too much to an unhealthy degree Can you give specific examples? I frequently find the US outlook to be exactly the reverse, where people pretend like "the government" is some conspiratorial shadow organisation undermining all the citizens at every step (which seems quite silly to me because it basically consists only of people that you directly or indirectly voted for). My view is that if you have incompetent, selfish administrators in a western democracy, then just don't vote for them next time; if they keep getting elected, then maybe your countries actual problem are the idiot voters instead (or possibly not-actually-independent mass media, the importance of which can not be overstated).
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- FirmwareBurner 1y ago>Can you give specific examples? Most rich western/northern European countries. >which seems quite silly to me because it basically consists only of people that you directly or indirectly voted for It's not silly when you consider that the candidates you can vote for, are all managed oppositions, each owned and supported by various mega-money interest groups. Why else did Bernie Sanders never got nominated as a presidential candidate even though many people supported him? Because he's not bought and paid for by the lobbyist groups. In every country it's like that.
- glhaynes 1y agoWhy else did Bernie Sanders never got nominated as a presidential candidate even though many people supported him? Because more people supported someone else.
- salawat 1y agoWrong. Democratic super delegates overrode the nomination in favor of someone more friendly to the true pro-business party line.
- glhaynes 1y agoDemocratic super delegates overrode the nomination This literally didn't happen. This sort of conspiracy-theorizing nonsense is akin to Trump's about the 2020 election and has lead to a bunch of low-info voters making bad decisions.
- myrmidon 1y agoI'm not disputing that there is gonna be some degree of plutocracy when political funding is uncontrolled and media presence can be bought for cheap. But I think "managed opposition is the best you can get as voter" is incorrect; Trump is in my view neither managed nor "pro-establishment" in any way, and if everything was actually under "capitalist" control, then people like Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez or Tim Walz would never be allowed even close to a position of power. Anti-establishment populists in Europe have seen comparable success (e.g. Italy where they are in power, or Germany where it just looks like a matter of time).
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago>Trump is in my view neither managed Bruh. > Italy where they are in power Melloni only pretended to be anti establishment to win elections, but isn't. She campaigned on deporting illegals, and then gave them residency and right to work lol. Tell me a bigger rug pull. Trump is the same, he campaigned on a lot of things(Epstein list anyone?), but not actually executed on them or only did it only as a show (DOGE).
- graemep 1y agoPeople will speak negatively of the government, but also have learned helplessness regarding things like surveillance. An attitude that has become common in the UK is to say the government needs powers control the "gammon" (i.e. the hoi polloi) from themselves, and to protect their children from their terrible parents, etc.
- koonsolo 1y agoHey, Belgian here. Our government cannot just de-bank, de-pension or de- anything else you are suggesting, and definitely not by the "crime" of protesting (what a ridiculous statement!) We protest here too by the way, this weekend about 100k in Brussels. That you make these claims is just plain up ridiculous.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoAre you aware that the world(and Europe for that matter) is much larger than Belgium, with way different laws on what the state can do to you? For example in Canada they de-banked the truckers, in Germany they de-pensioned a retiree who was planning to bring back the Kaiser. So yeah, it happens, you're just ignorant from your bubble.
- koonsolo 1y agoYou were talking about "people in the West". Belgians are people in the west, and we don't comply to your statements. Secondly, I don't believe a word you say about Germany. Source please. Don't generalize what happened once in Canada to the whole "Western world" and all kinds of de-.... And as far as I remember, those truckers were protesting. So they certainly didn't comply to your description of being indoctrinated to trust their government.
- rkomorn 1y agoNews to me that the French, for example, trust their government and do not protest.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoTrust is orthogonal to protests. Frech protest when the government takes away their gibs, not because it's spying on them.