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Thank you for doing the work of finding sources, but I think you missed the overall point. None of your quotes are about masculinity and were about children clo

Thank you for doing the work of finding sources, but I think you missed the overall point. None of your quotes are about masculinity and were about children clothing choices. >claim that blue was an unpopular color for girls and pink was an unpopular color for boys around 1900 I did not claim this, and it is besides the point being made here either be you or your parent so I'm not going to take time to do so for the claim I did make in the relative popularity of clothing colors for male children. Continuing to drill down on this will take us further off topic.

eesmith 1y ago
That's because I was primarily responding to your statement "I can see an unpopular recommendation for child clothing at around that time". I don't believe there is a strong basis for that statement. > None of your quotes are about masculinity Not even "Pink, being most closely associated with bold, daring red, was considered more masculine, while blue (always an easier color to achieve in dyes) was softer and more subdued. Too, blue is the color associated with the Virgin Mary, and, in the Middle ages, the color of true lovers and faithful servants."? It even uses the word "masculine". frumplestlatz earlier wrote 'while women consistently express a preference for colors near pink' but as a counter-example, here's a report of a survey of criminal prostitutes in the late 1800s, at https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/210911 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/210911 "I asked them to name the color they preferred for gowns and trimmings. The result shows the following selections: blue, 23; pink, 8; red, 5; yellow, 5; lavender, 3; black, purple, and green, 2 each." https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/122241/1/Chelsea%20Sullivan%20-%20Paper%202017.pdf https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/122241/1/Chelsea%2... informs me "Up until the mid-1700’s men and women shared the same color palette for clothing. At which point, men began wearing more subdued and darker colors, while women wore brighter, lighter, and clearer colors such as yellow shades", citing https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/126/mode/2up?q=yellow https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/12... . That links also points out, at https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/74/mode/2up?q=pink https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/74... that in the late 1500s, blue was "relegated to servants and the lower classes." Over the centuries the popular colors change. For example, https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/146/mode/2up?q=pink https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/14... says "Women universally wear white", 1805 George III. I can find examples of men wearing pink, like George IV's "pink suits and white silk waistcoats" at https://archive.org/details/lordbeaconsfield0000geor/page/48/mode/2up?q=pink https://archive.org/details/lordbeaconsfield0000geor/page/48... , but nothing pre-20th century which ties color choice to masculinity. Nor anything which supports frumplestlatz' assertion that "men consistently express a preference for colors near blue, while women consistently express a preference for colors near pink", in anything predating the 20th century.

eesmith 1y ago

That's because I was primarily responding to your statement "I can see an unpopular recommendation for child clothing at around that time". I don't believe there is a strong basis for that statement. > None of your quotes are about masculinity Not even "Pink, being most closely associated with bold, daring red, was considered more masculine, while blue (always an easier color to achieve in dyes) was softer and more subdued. Too, blue is the color associated with the Virgin Mary, and, in the Middle ages, the color of true lovers and faithful servants."? It even uses the word "masculine". frumplestlatz earlier wrote 'while women consistently express a preference for colors near pink' but as a counter-example, here's a report of a survey of criminal prostitutes in the late 1800s, at https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/210911 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/210911 "I asked them to name the color they preferred for gowns and trimmings. The result shows the following selections: blue, 23; pink, 8; red, 5; yellow, 5; lavender, 3; black, purple, and green, 2 each." https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/122241/1/Chelsea%20Sullivan%20-%20Paper%202017.pdf https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/122241/1/Chelsea%2... informs me "Up until the mid-1700’s men and women shared the same color palette for clothing. At which point, men began wearing more subdued and darker colors, while women wore brighter, lighter, and clearer colors such as yellow shades", citing https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/126/mode/2up?q=yellow https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/12... . That links also points out, at https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/74/mode/2up?q=pink https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/74... that in the late 1500s, blue was "relegated to servants and the lower classes." Over the centuries the popular colors change. For example, https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/146/mode/2up?q=pink https://archive.org/details/evolutionoffashi0000hill/page/14... says "Women universally wear white", 1805 George III. I can find examples of men wearing pink, like George IV's "pink suits and white silk waistcoats" at https://archive.org/details/lordbeaconsfield0000geor/page/48/mode/2up?q=pink https://archive.org/details/lordbeaconsfield0000geor/page/48... , but nothing pre-20th century which ties color choice to masculinity. Nor anything which supports frumplestlatz' assertion that "men consistently express a preference for colors near blue, while women consistently express a preference for colors near pink", in anything predating the 20th century.