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There are plenty of unmanned frozen food shops (gyoza etc.) with one CCTV. On the rare occasion that someone steals food, it is taken seriously and investigated

by rjh29 1y ago

There are plenty of unmanned frozen food shops (gyoza etc.) with one CCTV. On the rare occasion that someone steals food, it is taken seriously and investigated. People have been arrested here for grabbing a medium combini coffee cup and using it to serve a large coffee.

pelagicAustral 1y ago
I know this is besides the point, incredibly petty and borderline psychotic, but... if you can fill your medium cup with the amount of a large one, wouldn't that mean that the store is the one cheating on you? The way this is playing in my head is: I grab the medium cup, try to outsmart the universe and pour a large into it, coffee overflows in my hand, and I watch justice being served as my hand gets burn and I cannot scream because that would denounce my scam.
skissane 1y ago
Junior high principal in Hyogo fired for stealing seven half cups of coffee [Feb. 3, 2024] https://japantoday.com/category/national/junior-high-principal-in-hyogo-fired-for-stealing-seven-half-cups-of-coffee https://japantoday.com/category/national/junior-high-princip...
- traceroute66 1y ago
  "Seven cups" ? i.e. a repeat offence ? I'm not sure there's any scope for debate here really, surely its all a bit beyond beyond "it was an accident, Officer" at that stage ?
rayiner 1y ago
> People have been arrested here for grabbing a medium combini coffee cup and using it to serve a large coffee. God I love Japan. Studies show that the most important thing about criminal punishment is certainty of being caught and prosecuted.
- HeavyStorm 1y ago
  > Studies show that the most important thing about criminal punishment is certainty of being caught and prosecuted. This might lead someone to wrongly conclude that high order societies are a matter of policing. It's not. It's a matter of culture. Japan doesn't have more cops per citizen than your average 1st world country. But they do have a culture that deeply condemns crime and values honor.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    I agree, but I’d submit that the way the criminal justice system works reinforces culture. Swiftly catching and consistently punishing law breakers helps reinforce the social norms against crime.
  - more_corn 1y ago
    But they also won’t declare a death a murder unless they can solve it. They take their 100% solve rate quite seriously.
  - rangestransform 1y ago
    Singapore was able to police itself into a high trust society
  - tptacek 1y ago
    They also have a hostage justice system with a 95%+ conviction rate, in which people can effectively be detained indefinitely (years) without trial as prosecutors hold out for confessions. In a very real sense, we started the United States of America specifically to avoid that kind of system. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      Woe is it upon the world that indefinite incarceration is generally accepted and not a cause for international condemnation.

by rjh29 1y ago

pelagicAustral 1y ago

I know this is besides the point, incredibly petty and borderline psychotic, but... if you can fill your medium cup with the amount of a large one, wouldn't that mean that the store is the one cheating on you? The way this is playing in my head is: I grab the medium cup, try to outsmart the universe and pour a large into it, coffee overflows in my hand, and I watch justice being served as my hand gets burn and I cannot scream because that would denounce my scam.

skissane 1y ago

Junior high principal in Hyogo fired for stealing seven half cups of coffee [Feb. 3, 2024] https://japantoday.com/category/national/junior-high-principal-in-hyogo-fired-for-stealing-seven-half-cups-of-coffee https://japantoday.com/category/national/junior-high-princip...

traceroute66 1y ago
"Seven cups" ? i.e. a repeat offence ? I'm not sure there's any scope for debate here really, surely its all a bit beyond beyond "it was an accident, Officer" at that stage ?

rayiner 1y ago

> People have been arrested here for grabbing a medium combini coffee cup and using it to serve a large coffee. God I love Japan. Studies show that the most important thing about criminal punishment is certainty of being caught and prosecuted.

HeavyStorm 1y ago
> Studies show that the most important thing about criminal punishment is certainty of being caught and prosecuted. This might lead someone to wrongly conclude that high order societies are a matter of policing. It's not. It's a matter of culture. Japan doesn't have more cops per citizen than your average 1st world country. But they do have a culture that deeply condemns crime and values honor.
- rayiner 1y ago
  I agree, but I’d submit that the way the criminal justice system works reinforces culture. Swiftly catching and consistently punishing law breakers helps reinforce the social norms against crime.
- more_corn 1y ago
  But they also won’t declare a death a murder unless they can solve it. They take their 100% solve rate quite seriously.
- rangestransform 1y ago
  Singapore was able to police itself into a high trust society
- tptacek 1y ago
  They also have a hostage justice system with a 95%+ conviction rate, in which people can effectively be detained indefinitely (years) without trial as prosecutors hold out for confessions. In a very real sense, we started the United States of America specifically to avoid that kind of system. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    Woe is it upon the world that indefinite incarceration is generally accepted and not a cause for international condemnation.