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The End of the American City

32 points by paulpauper 1y ago

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electric_muse 1y ago
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- up2isomorphism 1y ago
  Every human in NYC come with 1.5 cars attached? You are definitely in touch with the reality. Pretty much the only people who can afford a car in NYC are those 0.1%, and no 1% is likely not enough. Rest of the vehicles are pretty much driven by the people bringing food, materials etc into the city so guys like you can write such out of touch crap.
  - Nervhq 1y ago
    No need for those personal attacks. Also you do realize he's lamenting these policies, right? He's Not encouraging them!
cadamsdotcom 1y ago
There are many reasons to pump the brakes on city development, such as pollution, crime, sanitation... many of these have been solved since then, so it's hard to see. But back then - city life could be no fun. Even into the 80s, New York City was perceived as having basic safety issues. I never went there, but TV shows and movies of the era mostly went for a certain feel: graffitied subway cars, car alarms, gritty night spots, and all the things that go with that. So I think there are many more reasons than just "the poors!" By contrast: why didn't European population centers (all the way from small cities to capitals like Paris) have quite such an extreme reversal? Was the "anti-poors" thing real, just less prevalent in Europe?
rendall 1y ago
I wish the article had gone deeper into this idea of zoning being responsible: an exploration of the specific policies and laws that made this happen. As written, it's just an assertion.
narrator 1y ago
You take public transit and some person who's been to prison many times for violent crimes decides to murder you with a pocket knife for no reason, like Iryna Zarutska, is why we don't have dense walkable urban cities. It's as simple as that. People who get their news from mainstream media that refuses to report these crimes that happen on a regular basis are completely mystified.
- xethos 1y ago
  That's a great headline. Eye-catching and engaging, with guanteed opnions for the reader to be sucked in by. It gets less great when we recall that every month, roughly the same number of Americans die due to automobile accidents as did on September eleventh - with enough left over for a bonus thirteenth month at the end of the year. Americans will repeat "Never forget" about 9/11, but the number of traffic deaths is closer to "Never acknowledge"
  - Nervhq 1y ago
    You know we can fix two problems at once right?
    - Reubachi 1y ago
      That's the point. One problem was "worked on", one isn't and never will be. What's the fix? Proper taxation at gas pumps? Get ready for a civil war (for some reason) Subsidized mass building of public transport? Lol. Not in the US anymore. Global Catastrophe? Western countries have proven they will spend 11 dollars on a coffee so I don't think even a massive crisis will stop people driving.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  I ride the train every day in Chicago and I'm yet to be murdered, or even witness a murder.

32 points by paulpauper 1y ago

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electric_muse 1y ago

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up2isomorphism 1y ago
Every human in NYC come with 1.5 cars attached? You are definitely in touch with the reality. Pretty much the only people who can afford a car in NYC are those 0.1%, and no 1% is likely not enough. Rest of the vehicles are pretty much driven by the people bringing food, materials etc into the city so guys like you can write such out of touch crap.
- Nervhq 1y ago
  No need for those personal attacks. Also you do realize he's lamenting these policies, right? He's Not encouraging them!

cadamsdotcom 1y ago

There are many reasons to pump the brakes on city development, such as pollution, crime, sanitation... many of these have been solved since then, so it's hard to see. But back then - city life could be no fun. Even into the 80s, New York City was perceived as having basic safety issues. I never went there, but TV shows and movies of the era mostly went for a certain feel: graffitied subway cars, car alarms, gritty night spots, and all the things that go with that. So I think there are many more reasons than just "the poors!" By contrast: why didn't European population centers (all the way from small cities to capitals like Paris) have quite such an extreme reversal? Was the "anti-poors" thing real, just less prevalent in Europe?

rendall 1y ago

I wish the article had gone deeper into this idea of zoning being responsible: an exploration of the specific policies and laws that made this happen. As written, it's just an assertion.

narrator 1y ago

You take public transit and some person who's been to prison many times for violent crimes decides to murder you with a pocket knife for no reason, like Iryna Zarutska, is why we don't have dense walkable urban cities. It's as simple as that. People who get their news from mainstream media that refuses to report these crimes that happen on a regular basis are completely mystified.

xethos 1y ago
That's a great headline. Eye-catching and engaging, with guanteed opnions for the reader to be sucked in by. It gets less great when we recall that every month, roughly the same number of Americans die due to automobile accidents as did on September eleventh - with enough left over for a bonus thirteenth month at the end of the year. Americans will repeat "Never forget" about 9/11, but the number of traffic deaths is closer to "Never acknowledge"
- Nervhq 1y ago
  You know we can fix two problems at once right?
  - Reubachi 1y ago
    That's the point. One problem was "worked on", one isn't and never will be. What's the fix? Proper taxation at gas pumps? Get ready for a civil war (for some reason) Subsidized mass building of public transport? Lol. Not in the US anymore. Global Catastrophe? Western countries have proven they will spend 11 dollars on a coffee so I don't think even a massive crisis will stop people driving.
queenkjuul 1y ago
I ride the train every day in Chicago and I'm yet to be murdered, or even witness a murder.